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Joined: 31 May 2013 Posts: 77 Location: Aurora, Colorado

I have just purchased a case of Herter`s dove & quail loads. I read somewhere on this forum that the Herter`s hulls are actually Cheddite hulls. Have any of you reloaded these Herter`s hulls in a load that you used a Fed 209 primer?

I have a bunch of Fed 209 primers and would like to use them in place of buying another brand of primer for these particular hulls. Any 16 gauge load information that you might have using this combination would be helpful.

Joined: 26 Apr 2010 Posts: 3183 Location: NCWa

Are you using the older Fed 209 primer? or the newer Fed 209A primer? The size is the same, the flash is different.

Joined: 31 May 2013 Posts: 77 Location: Aurora, Colorado

These are the Fed 209A primers!

Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Posts: 107 Location: Roseville, CA

Cheditte hulls are .242 diameter and Fed primers are .241. Could be a problem you don't need. Cheditte, Rio and Fiocchi are all .241...

I'm no expert on Cheddite hulls, but i beleve either they are made in China for Cheddite or closely resemble the generic types that are. So it is not always easy to tell just where these closely similar hulls are made now.

Perhaps the best thing to do is to remove a half dozen of the spent primers from your Herter's hulls and mike them. Then mike a few of the Federals. You can also simply prime a few resized hulls to see how the Federals fit. If they seat too easy, then they may be too small. They can be eased back out and reused. If this is the case, then some of the European primers may fit the hulls better. Noble Sports have been working well for me. The Cheddite and Fiocchi primers may be okay too.

Joined: 31 May 2013 Posts: 77 Location: Aurora, Colorado

[quote="16gaugeguy"]I'm no expert on Cheddite hulls, but i beleve either they are made in China for Cheddite or closely resemble the generic types that are. So it is not always easy to tell just where these closely similar hulls are made now.

Perhaps the best thing to do is to remove a half dozen of the spent primers from your Herter's hulls and mike them. Then mike a few of the Federals. You can also simply prime a few resized hulls to see how the Federals fit. If they seat too easy, then they may be too small. They can be eased back out and reused. If this is the case, then some of the European primers may fit the hulls better. Noble Sports have been working well for me. The Cheddite and Fiocchi primers may be okay too.[/quote

Thanks for the heads up info 16gaugeguy!

Here is the question he asked.

The OP referred to Herter's hulls. Problem. Are we absolutely certain Herter's hulls are actually Cheddites? Perhaps it's best not to assume it.

Measuring the actual size of the spent primers will reveal what the OP needs to know. It's the safest and smartest thing to do IMO.

Before anyone decides what the OP has, wouldn't be a good idea for the OP to either describe or cut a hull in half and post a picture?

Herter's has used more than one manufacturer's hull.

Joined: 31 May 2013 Posts: 77 Location: Aurora, Colorado

Cabela`s says they are Chedite!

I reload Cheddite hulls for 16 ga, 209 A primers work well for a couple of loads them the primer pocket sometimes need to be re-sized as they can become loose fitting. Ballistic Products sells a small toll that does the trick, a little slow but will make them viable for a couple or three more reloads as long as the hull does not split near the crimp area. JMHO Cool