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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ clay powdar. |
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:14 am
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Location: Indiana
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Any loads for clays. for 16 ga. |
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Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:07 am
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Location: Somewhere in the Socialist State of Minnesota
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:37 am
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Location: West MI
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Getting a little wordy oldhunter, try and tighten it up a bit will ya...
old16, clay games? or clays powder? assuming clays powder, try this link to a library of recipes compiled by a well missed poster around here; spr310. Don't know if this is the most current rev, regardless, it has a ton of recipes listed, select the drop down menus listed across the top of the page to help your search, Good luck...
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0At1GjTxK0YbudE9YTTZzeW91TGR6QVRBbUNyVHJnTEE&gid=16 |
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:28 am
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Location: western new york
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Don't know about where you guys are at, but Clays powder is non existent everywhere I've looked (Western New York through most of PA and the whole length of Ohio). I've been loading it in 12 ga for years, but can't find it anywhere currently (none of the local guys in Chautauqua County NY or Warren County Pa; Cabela's in Hamburg Pa and in Columbus Ohio; Grice's and Bob's Army Navy in Clearfield Pa; Fin Feather Fur in Ashland Ohio; a couple of places in greater Cincinnati; etc., etc.). If anyone knows where to find some, let me know. Meanwhile, I load Universal Clays in 16 ga., and like it pretty well. Never tried Clays in the 16 ga.
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:49 am
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Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:50 pm
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Last edited by mike campbell on Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:00 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:40 am
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Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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Location: Minnesota
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I was in Fleet Farm in Chaska Mn two weeks ago. I asked the gun counter guy, "this is a stupid question, but do you have any Clays powder".
He checked and they had 12 one pound bottles. I bought three of them.
That's the first Clays I have found in a long time. |
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Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:16 am
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Joined: 12 Sep 2010
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Location: Maine
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That's the first Clays I've heard of being available in almost a year.
I was in a local-to-me store last weekend and the reloading section had a partial 8 lb tub of Clays on the table next to a reloader. I had to ask b/c I use Clays in my 12 ga loads. Turned out, it was the owner's personal stock which he had been using to load some shells. And not for sale.
He also had some Red Dot and PB available, but I passed. I was not about to pay $30 for a pound of PB. (I'll probably regret that someday sooner rather than later.) |
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Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:56 pm
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Clays would not be my choice for 16 unless you are shooting a modern gun. Fast burning 12 bore powders just produce too much pressure except in the lightest of loadings. Universal Clays is a better choice in that family. |
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Thu Dec 26, 2013 7:51 pm
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Joined: 12 Sep 2010
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Location: Maine
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RWG wrote: |
Clays would not be my choice for 16 unless you are shooting a modern gun. Fast burning 12 bore powders just produce too much pressure except in the lightest of loadings. Universal Clays is a better choice in that family.
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I use the Clays for my 12 ga - I have a nice load of 7/8 oz., Fed 12S0 and Win 209 in a Remington STS hull that uses clays and produces a sweet target load. I have hundreds of 12 ga hulls waiting for it. |
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:14 am
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Alliant has recently introduced Clay Dot, a new American made offering designed to directly compete w/ Hodgdon Clays. However, these two powders are among the fastest burning smokeless powders made and are primarily meant for 2-3/4 to 3 dram equiv. 12 ga target loads of 7/8 to 1-1/8 ozs. shot load weights. Neither are very suitable for standard 1 to 1-1/8 oz. 16 ga hunting reloads loads assembled with modern one piece plastic wads.
I've safely used 14 to 14.5 grains of both Red Dot and IMR 700X for 1200 FPS (approx.), 3/4 ounce 16 ga loads in the Remington RGL hull. So I would think equivelent charges of Clays and Clay Dot can also safely be used in the same loads. However, the necessarily very light charges of these powders are less bulky, and filler wads are a must to get excellent crimps. There are better, slower burning powder choices like Green Dot or International Clays for 3/4 to 7/8 ounce 16 ga loads. Now that Clays is apparently not available, I'd look for a better alternative instead. |
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:13 pm
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Joined: 12 Sep 2010
Posts: 1973
Location: Maine
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I agree, 16 ga guy. (like I said, I use Clays for my 12.) Problem is, can't find Green Dot either. And PB was $30/lb. |
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:30 pm
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Dave in Maine wrote: |
RWG wrote: |
Clays would not be my choice for 16 unless you are shooting a modern gun. Fast burning 12 bore powders just produce too much pressure except in the lightest of loadings. Universal Clays is a better choice in that family.
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I use the Clays for my 12 ga - I have a nice load of 7/8 oz., Fed 12S0 and Win 209 in a Remington STS hull that uses clays and produces a sweet target load. I have hundreds of 12 ga hulls waiting for it.
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Clays is not a good choice in the 16 gauge, period. Just because someone somewhere has created a load with it, and the data I've looked at is pretty sad, it does not qualify it as a good powder choice in the 16.
Dave In Maine, it's also my favorite powder for 7/8 oz 12 gauge loads. |
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