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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ Imperial shotshells |
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Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:37 pm
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Ran across 16 gauge shotshells in green boxes labeled Imperial.
The writing on the boxes other than the word Imperial is Spanish.
This lot are 7 1/2 s 27 gr mm67.
My memory of Imperial was a Canadian manufacture,clearly these are not.
Anyone familiar with hem? |
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Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:19 pm
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Nope
Picture of box??
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Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:17 pm
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Imperial was a name for cartridges from CIL -- note the red CIL oval brand on the top of the box in your photo. That is Canadian Industries Limited. Those shells in paper or plastic were quite common in North Dakota when I was a kid. We did not regard them highly, as we though they were down there in quality below Federals, and the hulls certainly did not re-load well or last long if reloaded. We had plenty of compression-formed hulls then, even in 16, as well as the original Remington and Peters fiber-bottomed SP's.
Remember Holiday brand shotshells? I think they were made by CIL, if I recall correctly. They were a cheap unsophisticated shell without the new fangled one-piece wads like Remington Power Pistons, or protective sleeves like the Win-West Mark V's (early days for Double A's). Same hard to reload hull and weak brass base as CIL's, though not an un-handsome and durable shell as originally loaded. They had the same swirly sealed inverted type of crimp as original Rem-Peters SP's. Very hard to re-crimp properly with a MEC 300. In my college days at The University of North Dakota I would buy gas at the Holiday station close by on N. Washington Street and University Avenue (around $.35 per gal.), and fill the back seat and trunk of my '64 Dodge Dart GT with Holiday clay pigeons (about $1.35 a box of 135 on sale) for our hand-thrown games at home. Being a devoted reloader, I left the Holiday shotshells to others. The pretty boxes with the wildlife scenes are really collectable nowadays. I didn't think much of the art then, as I was hooked on the Peter's boxes, as well as The Federal mallard box and the various Win/West boxes, even though they didn't have anything for game scenery by then. |
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:38 am
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Location: Steep Rock Lake, North Western Ontario
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My limited search revealed a shot shell marketed by Eley hawk in the UK. It is loaded by MAXAM (Spain I believe) Box is marked Imperial and all other markings are in Spanish. Options vary from game loads to target loads. Hope this helps.
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Last edited by madtrapper143 on Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:41 am; edited 1 time in total _________________ " 2 1/2 drams of powder, 1 ounce of shot, should be good for all upland use, that's the 16"
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:39 am
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Here it is
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Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:06 am
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Thank you
This is a new brand and not the old brand
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Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:23 am
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Max Smoke,,
I bought a case of the CIL shells at the 16ga shoot. They should smack some big ND or SD roosters this fall.
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But they came in a UMC box
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The Winchesters Rem's and the Federals were in a PETERS box though....
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You missed a good shoot! And some neat stuff for sale.
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Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:11 am
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Damn, you scored big, Gary! That's a pretty heavy load in those CIL's, eh? (Read with a Canadian accent, eh.) And yeah, I big time missed this years 16 gauge shoot. Cheers! |
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Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:11 am
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Good loads for my 30" m12 or 30" m21
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Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:04 pm
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gloftness: If you have access to a chronograph, you might want to check the velocity on those old CILs. I found part of a box of 20 ga. CIL rounds (although not the Imperial variety, but the cheaper "Canuck Standard") in my dad's stash. The box and rounds looked factory fresh. However, I put them over my Chrony and the velocity was around 920 fps. I'll just add them to the collection. |
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Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:32 am
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MaximumSmoke wrote: |
Damn, you scored big, Gary! That's a pretty heavy load in those CIL's, eh? (Read with a Canadian accent, eh.) And yeah, I big time missed this years 16 gauge shoot. Cheers!
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Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:29 am
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Gloftness
Are those shells the plastic case or are they the waxed paper cases? When I was a teenager just starting my official hunting career I shot the 1-1/4 loads almost exclusively out of my Dad's model Win model 12 16 ga. I used to buy all my ammo at Home Hardware or Canadian Tire. I harvested hundreds of ducks with those heavy load 16 gauges. |
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Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:00 am
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I'm an inbe-tweener, Carlos! North Dakota is pretty far north, and half the kids in my dorm at UND were Canadian (and all the hockey players except two), so their accent sounds pretty normal to me. ND is pretty Scandanavian in accent -- like my ancestors (Norwegian -- not Swedish -- puh-leeze!). Then again I spent some summers as a kid in Mississippi, so I can even understand the sing-song of "the deep south". Frankly, accent-wise, my preference is Walter Cronkite.
Cheers! |
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