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Ohio Wirehair
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:47 pm  Reply with quote



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Can anybody guide me to a 3/4 or 7/8 oz. recipe. Thanks!
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putz463
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:41 am  Reply with quote
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all from Lymans manuals, compiled in oldhunters spreadsheets;

Fed 16 Plas 3/4 oz HS-6 26.5 Fed-209A (3)NC16(1)BPI12 Tuff(1)20ga.felt under shot(1)overshot card 1333 10,600 Lymans 4th
Fed 16 Plas 3/4 oz SR-4756 24 Fed-209A (2)NC16(1)BPI12 Tuff(1)20ga.felt under shot(1)overshot card 1406 10,400 Lymans 4th
Fed 16 Plas 3/4 oz 800X 20 Fed-209A VP-80 1285 8,800 Lymans 5th (1)20ga. felt under wad
Fed 16 Plas 3/4 oz HS-7 28.5 Fed-209A VP-80 1340 10,100 Lymans 5th (1)20ga. felt under wad
Fed 16 Plas 3/4 oz Blue Dot 24.5 Fed-209A VP-80 1300 8,000 Lymans 5th (1)20ga. felt under wad
Fed 16 Plas 3/4 oz Steel 26.5 Fed-209A VP-80 1450 7,700 Lymans 5th (1)20ga. felt under wad
Fed 16 Plas 7/8 oz 800X 18.5 Fed-209A VP-80 1240 10,800 Lymans 5th (1)20ga. felt under wad
Fed 16 Plas 7/8 oz SR-4756 19.5 Fed-209A VP-80 1220 10,700 Lymans 5th (1)20ga. felt under wad
Fed 16 Plas 7/8 oz Blue Dot 22.5 Fed-209A VP-80 1270 10,200 Lymans 5th (1)20ga. felt under wad
Fed 16 Plas 7/8 oz Steel 22.5 Fed-209A VP-80 1285 8,400 Lymans 5th (1)20ga. felt under wad

seems to me that the last Steel recipe at 1285fps/8400psi could be jacked up a bit and stay within safe pressure limits.

best of luck these and good hunting.....

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16GAwaterfowler
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:06 am  Reply with quote



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Use this load with 7/8 oz and CCI 209M instead of Federal 209A. pressures will be around 10,200 -10.500 psi. In most steel shot loads we tested the Federal 209A gave to much added pressure, CCI 209M gave excellent ignition with lower average pressure's.
Fed 16 Plas 3/4 oz Steel 26.5 Fed-209A VP-80 1450 7,700 Lymans 5th (1)20ga. felt under wad
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Ohio Wirehair
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:43 pm  Reply with quote



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Thank you gentlemen! One more question is felt necessary or can I substitute cork or foam?
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16GAwaterfowler
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:51 am  Reply with quote



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Ohio Wirehair wrote:
Thank you gentlemen! One more question is felt necessary or can I substitute cork or foam?

For taking up that bit of space in the wad you need it, you can sub cork or foam, Felt to me at least works shot will not stick or embed in it.
Cut your own out, go to craft section in Wal Mart and buy Felt Squares for 30 cents, harbor freight/northern tool 0ahs the punches
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Ohio Wirehair
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:29 pm  Reply with quote



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One more question, can the B&P TUWSPL1627 be substituted for the VP 80 wad safely?
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number1wrench
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:25 pm  Reply with quote



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Ohio Wirehair wrote:
One more question, can the B&P TUWSPL1627 be substituted for the VP 80 wad safely?

The VP 80 (BPI PT1680) is produced by Propulsion Technologies. The B&P TUWSPL 1627 is produced by Baschri and Pelagri wad is also known as CSD 16ga. These two wad designations you ask about are not the same and require different recipes.
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Dave In AZ
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:50 am  Reply with quote



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There are 119 recipes for steel shot in 16ga in BPI Advantages manual, or their free VP80 wadsheet, or their Load of the Week on their website.

Since you seem actually interested in the B&P wad, called CSD16 by BPI and TUWSBL1627 by Precision Reloading...
there are 14 recipes of which 9 are 7/8 oz for that wad in BPI Advantages or LOTW. However, all cheddite or Rio hulls.

I find no Federal hull w/ CSD16 loads in the 16ga forum (oldhunter) spreadsheets, though I'll admit I have a hard time keeping them straight and sorting through all the tabs looking... but I'm pretty sure I've gone through all of them, since I'm only interested in or looking at non-tox loads for 16ga.

I've emailed BPI and received an excel sheet of CSD16 loads back from them, but there is nothing new since Feb10, 2015 which I have in Advantages book, so no change.

Here's what I would do if I was you: ABANDON the Federal hull as your load basis. The only people publishing 16ga steel loads is BPI, and they use all Euro hulls (cheddite, Fiocchi, Rio). Additionally, Cheddite hulls are probably the most available hull to you for reloading--buy a box or so of Herters from Cabelas, they are cheddite and make a great reload.

I would then use this load, IMO the best published by BPI using A-Steel powder:
120210-6299 16ga 2.75" Cheddite-hull Ch209, Alliant Steel 26.5gr, CSD16 -wad, shot: steel #2 7/8oz or 382.0gr 10,500psi, 1,435 fps, Fold crimp

You could also use #3, which is what I would do.
That would be 133 pellets which would penetrate 1.5" gel (a decent measure for mallards) to 38yards (1000'msl, 32F, 1435 fps). Should be able to choke it to achieve large duck consep pellet count of 90 pellets at 38 yards.


7/8 oz isn't enough shot for me if I'm using 16ga, I'd rather have a bit more. It may be enough for you though. But if not, I think there is extra pressure room for improvment. I would load some up, then send them away for testing at Precision. And I'd do a 400gr load as is, with 1 felt underneath, and also a 437.5 gr load using 25.0gr Asteel. You can easily fit 1oz in that wad, 437.5 gr, of #3 shot-- I just tested it and with compacting I can fit 454gr so all pellets are partially covered by the wad, which means they'd all set back into wad on firing. <<< don't shoot those, these are just pressure test recommendations!

Sooner or later I'll probably send something similar in myself, but I'm working on 20ga steel right now. Plus several reports of better performance from the vp80 wad from 16gaWaterfowler.

Best of luck
Dave
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pigfarmer
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:18 pm  Reply with quote
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Does the 20 ga.felt wad go under or in wad?I'm confused because the recipey says under not in wad.
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Dave In AZ
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:40 pm  Reply with quote



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He meant in the wad under the shot. That's what the Lyman's recipe actually says.
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Dave In AZ
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:10 pm  Reply with quote



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I posted this on the Herters thread, but it's pertinent here for the steel reload thread too, so I'll repeat it.

I am going to change my previous position on these Herters hulls.

I had a box of once fired, and just went to load up some steel shot in them.
The plastic crimp area LOOKS ok, until you try to pre-crimp it, and then you get splits. Light pre-crimp too.

I was attempting to load up 8 shells to send off for testing, easy fit with shot at perfect level, and of course I was hand picking all the hulls for this test run very carefully--they all looked good before loading. However, I had to load up 15 shells to get 8 of them where one petal of the crimp didn't split and "overlap" another during final crimp.


They'd be fine for 1oz of lead, shooting dove-- I don't mind a wierd petal here and there if the crimp otherwise looks ok. But no good for testing. Thin and brittle up there.
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16GAwaterfowler
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:26 am  Reply with quote



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number1wrench wrote:
Ohio Wirehair wrote:
One more question, can the B&P TUWSPL1627 be substituted for the VP 80 wad safely?

The VP 80 (BPI PT1680) is produced by Propulsion Technologies. The B&P TUWSPL 1627 is produced by Baschri and Pelagri wad is also known as CSD 16ga. These two wad designations you ask about are not the same and require different recipes.

Yes sir and from what I've found the B&P 16 wad for some reason produces a lot more pressure than PT/MM/Vp 80 wad. About two grains less of steel powder difference in most loads for the B&P wad.
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