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< 16ga. General Discussion ~ Before it leaves the nest |
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:33 am
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Location: Ontario
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While I may have committed a bit of heresy by proclaiming my Ideal 6RE-E 12 gauge my favorite shotgun, all is not lost. I continue to scour the world for just the right MF Ideal 16 gauge companion for it. While i don't have a permanent Ideal 16 in the stable as yet, I do have a few that pass through my hands now and again. This one is worth having a look at.
It's a post war Ideal 340 ejector 16 gauge in damn near LNIB condition. 70 cm (27.5") barrels, 14 1/4" LOP and 2 3/8" DAH. 6 pounds, 1 ounce. I don't have a bore gauge so can't be dead sure on chokes but my Galazan gauge says it's IM & Extra Full. Enjoy!
Oh, BTW. Near as I can tell, it's all original finishes.
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Last edited by canvasback on Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:45 am; edited 1 time in total _________________ 1921 Pieper 29" 6 lbs 10 oz
2003 Citori White Lightning 26" 6 lbs 10 oz
1932 Husqvarna 310AS 29.5" 6 lbs 7 oz
1925 Ferlach 29" 6 lbs 7 oz
1923 Greifelt 29" 6 lbs 1 oz
1928 Simson 29.5" 6 lbs
1893 Lindner Daly FW 28” 5 lb 11oz |
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:45 am
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Joined: 04 Mar 2008
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Location: Lowcountry Ga.
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Very nice, James. Wood is beautiful, but not in your gun's league, but not much else is. Gil |
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:47 am
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Location: Ontario
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Gil S wrote: |
Very nice, James. Wood is beautiful, but not in your gun's league, but not much else is. Gil
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Gil, shouldn't you be working about now! LOL |
_________________ 1921 Pieper 29" 6 lbs 10 oz
2003 Citori White Lightning 26" 6 lbs 10 oz
1932 Husqvarna 310AS 29.5" 6 lbs 7 oz
1925 Ferlach 29" 6 lbs 7 oz
1923 Greifelt 29" 6 lbs 1 oz
1928 Simson 29.5" 6 lbs
1893 Lindner Daly FW 28” 5 lb 11oz |
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:27 am
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Location: Tappahannock, Virginia
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:12 am
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Oh my! If there is a proverbial cake, that gun just took it. Cool beyond the normal scale of cool. |
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:51 pm
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Location: Lowcountry Ga.
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James, your stock looks more like chocolate marble cake. This 16's wood is more like a chocolate layer cake. Both look delicious. Gil |
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:07 pm
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Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Location: MN
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I've seen a few of these...but never in that condition |
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:19 pm
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Location: Ontario
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I've had a request for a little more info about these guns so for those who haven't seen them before....here goes.
It is a Manufrance Ideal model 340. Manufrance (or MF) was the largest manufacturer of firearms in France. They were in existence from around 1888 until 1985. They made all kinds of shotguns and rifles....SxS, pumps, single shots etc. To give an idea of the quantity of their production, they made 950,000 of one model of SxS, The Robust.
Total production of all Parkers, for example, was around 500,000. I think all Ithaca SxS total around 700,000.
The Ideal is a classic and true round action design, first produced in 1888 and in production continuously except during the war years until the company shut down in 1985. Like the main American makers, MF would take a design and offer it in multiple quality grades as their method of hitting different price points. And, like the American makers, there was a big enough home market so MF was not particularly aggressive about selling guns outside the borders of France. So they are rare everywhere but France, but common there. In France today I can easily find an old beater Ideal for sale for $400. Or I can fine a pristine high grade for $20,000. And everything in between.
Besides the round action, another uncommon aspect of the ideal is the trigger guard opening lever, rather than having a top lever. Makes for a much better looking gun, IMHO and remarkably ergonomic. Ideals are also known for having a very simple and very strong action design.
If anyone has any further questions I would be happy to respond. |
_________________ 1921 Pieper 29" 6 lbs 10 oz
2003 Citori White Lightning 26" 6 lbs 10 oz
1932 Husqvarna 310AS 29.5" 6 lbs 7 oz
1925 Ferlach 29" 6 lbs 7 oz
1923 Greifelt 29" 6 lbs 1 oz
1928 Simson 29.5" 6 lbs
1893 Lindner Daly FW 28” 5 lb 11oz |
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:51 pm
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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That is a beutiful gun....wow |
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:10 pm
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Joined: 16 Dec 2007
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Location: Minnesota
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Interesting and beautiful gun. |
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:27 pm
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Location: Big D
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Near new and unfired can be found, but are of course rare (even in France) and the price usually reflects it. This one was, as James said, LNIB, and at a very attractive price.
Please note that the gun is not in battery. It took me a missed pheasant and a few unbroken targets to realize what was going on: if the rising bite that engages the doll's head is not flush with the top, the triggers will "soft fire," almost like there is a brake on the strikers, and the gun will not go off. Light primer strikes, but no bang and no bird. It seems, at least in my experience, to only happen with reloads. Factory shells are seldom a problem. In this photo, James has snap caps in, and for some reason the gun has not gone into battery. Just a little doll's heads up to those of you who own, may own, or have a chance to shoot one.
Mike |
_________________ Consistency is the currency of credibility
Manufrance Ideal 314:
Barrel set 1- (choke) .000 , .007 , chamber 70mm
Barrel set 2- .025 , .047 , 65mm
Barrel set 3- .005, .015
Manufrance Ideal No. 5:
Choke: .000, .010, 70mm chambers |
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:10 pm
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Thanks for pointing that out, Mike! It did look a bit odd, and I found myself wondering if it was fully locked up. Some lucky fella's gonna have Christmas a few months later than normal! |
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:15 pm
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Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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It may just be the best condition Ideal in North America...Christmas indeed! |
_________________ Consistency is the currency of credibility
Manufrance Ideal 314:
Barrel set 1- (choke) .000 , .007 , chamber 70mm
Barrel set 2- .025 , .047 , 65mm
Barrel set 3- .005, .015
Manufrance Ideal No. 5:
Choke: .000, .010, 70mm chambers |
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:21 pm
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Location: Minnesota
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Its a beauty! Is there a safety? Maybe the little knob above the triggers? |
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:24 pm
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Yes, and really the weak point of an Ideal. Not much more than a stamped piece of sheetmetal, but those of us who love the gun kinda view it as a small mole on a super model. |
_________________ Consistency is the currency of credibility
Manufrance Ideal 314:
Barrel set 1- (choke) .000 , .007 , chamber 70mm
Barrel set 2- .025 , .047 , 65mm
Barrel set 3- .005, .015
Manufrance Ideal No. 5:
Choke: .000, .010, 70mm chambers |
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