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STV311A
PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:07 pm  Reply with quote



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Any reason why we do not see Alliant data for Steel Powder for use in the 16 ga for say bismuth or lead data? I use it alot for my 20's and figured the softer metal type shot would benefit from it just as well as the harder stuff like Hevi and steel.

Just curious. Confused

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:33 pm  Reply with quote
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http://www.ballisticproducts.com/load16_09_30.htm

Load 160928-9020

HULL: Cheddite 16ga. 2.75 hulls

PRIMER: CH209

PROPELLANT: Alliant Steel 23.0 Grains

WAD: PT1680

SHOT: 1 1/8 oz. 492 gr. BISMUTH #4/#6/#7

FOLD CRIMP: OS16 over the shot

Result: PSI 7900 FPS 1150

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:35 pm  Reply with quote



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There are sources for load data for Steel powder in the 16 ga but checking their website Alliant lists Steel powder data for only the 10 & 12 gauge shells. this may be an R&D cost issue since they probably consider Steel primarily being used for waterfowl in 10 & 12 ga guns, leaving the 16 ga guns to Upland where lead is the primary shot.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:27 am  Reply with quote
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Couple loads I had tested .

Hull : 16ga Cheddite Green ( BPI #1391670 ) 2 3/4 Once Fired
Primer : Cheditte 209 CX2000 (Primers are marked with Black marker)
Powder: Alliant Steel 21.5 grains
Wad : PT-1680 (VP80) 4 Slits with (1) BPI 1/8 cork in cup
Shot: ITX10 #4 1 1/8 oz
Crimp 6 Fold crimps .050 deep

1186 fps 11000 psi

Hull : 16ga Federal 2 3/4 Once Fired
Primer : CCI 209 Magnum
Powder: Alliant Steel 21.0 grains
Wad : PT-1680 (VP80) 4 Slits with (1) BPI 1/8 20ga cork in cup
Shot: ITX10 #4 1 1/8 oz
Crimp 6 Fold .055 deep

1164 fps Ev19 10566 psi Ev 900 10/5/16 75 degrees

Test by Tom Arburst .

Hull : 16ga Federal 2 3/4 Once Fired
Primer : CCI 209 Magnum
Powder: Alliant Steel 22.0 grains
Wad : PT-1680 (VP80) 4 Slits with (1) BPI 1/8 20ga cork in cup
Shot: ITX10 #4 1 1/8 oz
Crimp 6 Fold .055 deep

5 shots

1196 FPS EV 8 11140 psi EV 300

Hull : Win SuperX ( Cheditte )
Primer: Fed 209a
Powder: 25.0 grs. Steel
Wad: Rem SP16
Shot: 1 1/8 oz #4 Niceshot

1315 fps ev 16 , 10880 psi ev 600

Some of the others have test loads with Steel powder , if you do a search you should be able to find them.
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STV311A
PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:25 pm  Reply with quote



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Thank you gentlemen for the reply's. Who do you recommend sending loads to so they can be tested? I am looking to load the Federal hulls with 1 oz to 1 1/16 oz of bismuth although some of the Cheddite loads look very promising I just do not like the high pressures. Thanks again for the reply's!

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Carlos
PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:22 am  Reply with quote



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There is a brand new Non-tox table on 16 guage group. Apply to join & Roberts yer Fathers Brother.
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STV311A
PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:38 pm  Reply with quote



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Found it Carlos. thanks!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:44 am  Reply with quote
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Testing;

Tom Armbrust

http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19134&highlight=armbrust

Precision Reloading

https://www.precisionreloading.com/view.php?pg=shot_proof

I've used both and recommend either equally, except in winter, then Precision gets the nod since Mr. Armbrust processes outdoors and shuts down in the very cold months.

You'll need an ORMD lable on the box to ship, I use Fedex when shipping ammo.

http://www.type03.net/ammo/orm-d-white-sheet.pdf

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:24 pm  Reply with quote
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Alliant load
If any body has been aware alliant notified that all testing would be done by Federal.Federal has posted there loads on the net. There are no 16 gauge loads. If you want 16 gauge loads you should contact federal. No non tox loads and no 16 gauge loads.

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16GAwaterfowler
PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:42 am  Reply with quote



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fn16ga wrote:
Couple loads I had tested .

Hull : 16ga Cheddite Green ( BPI #1391670 ) 2 3/4 Once Fired
Primer : Cheditte 209 CX2000 (Primers are marked with Black marker)
Powder: Alliant Steel 21.5 grains
Wad : PT-1680 (VP80) 4 Slits with (1) BPI 1/8 cork in cup
Shot: ITX10 #4 1 1/8 oz
Crimp 6 Fold crimps .050 deep

1186 fps 11000 psi

Test by Tom Arburst .



1315 fps ev 16 , 10880 psi ev 600

Some of the others have test loads with Steel powder , if you do a search you should be able to find them.

Big difference in your results and Ballistic Products, I'd go with Toms results more than BPI's
As a side note if you want a bit more out of the 1 1/8oz loads you may want to try a milder primer, The Remington 209P and Win 209 are worth trying to reduce pressures and get a bit more velocity using more powder in the load, if that's what you want.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:28 am  Reply with quote



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oldhunter wrote:
Alliant load
If any body has been aware alliant notified that all testing would be done by Federal.Federal has posted there loads on the net. There are no 16 gauge loads. If you want 16 gauge loads you should contact federal. No non tox loads and no 16 gauge loads.

Both Alliant and Federal have had results from 16ga STEEL powder load testing for 16 years now, why they have never done anything with it is beyond me
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Ohio Wirehair
PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:30 pm  Reply with quote



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I sent Alliant a email requesting steel powder data for 16 guage. They said no data and no testing data in the near future. Question
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Dave In AZ
PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:34 am  Reply with quote



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here's the two best datapoints I know of with Steel powder, from the VP80 wadsheet:

50204 62FF Fiocchi Fio616 Steel 27.5 VP80/pt1680 os16 7/8 382.8 Steel y 10,700 1,560 FOLD #4 VP80 wadsheet
50204 621R MultiHull Ch209 Steel 27.5 VP80/pt1680 os16 7/8 382.8 Steel y 10,500 1,550 FOLD #4 VP80 wadsheet


I've sent in for testing a 410gr load in cheddite hulls that came back juuuust overpressure at 11777psi, 1476fps. I would shoot it as is myself, but a 1/2gr powder drop would bring it into SAAMI the way I loaded it. Haven't posted the recipe as it's over saami, and I used styrofoam (meat tray) and mylar under the shot to get the lightest filler I could for this test... not sure that's what I would want for my final load, maybe felt or cork instead now that I have a good datapoint to work from.

In any case I'm confidant of an a-steel powder 16ga load 400-410gr shot, going 1450fps, will be under SAAMI pressure limits of 11500psi. I've got a load sitting on my desk right this very moment, 12 shells loaded up, to send in for testing which should be 410gr at 1500fps or so.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:25 am  Reply with quote
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16GAwaterfowler wrote:
fn16ga wrote:
Couple loads I had tested .

Hull : 16ga Cheddite Green ( BPI #1391670 ) 2 3/4 Once Fired
Primer : Cheditte 209 CX2000 (Primers are marked with Black marker)
Powder: Alliant Steel 21.5 grains
Wad : PT-1680 (VP80) 4 Slits with (1) BPI 1/8 cork in cup
Shot: ITX10 #4 1 1/8 oz
Crimp 6 Fold crimps .050 deep

1186 fps 11000 psi

Test by Tom Arburst .



1315 fps ev 16 , 10880 psi ev 600

Some of the others have test loads with Steel powder , if you do a search you should be able to find them.

Big difference in your results and Ballistic Products, I'd go with Toms results more than BPI's
As a side note if you want a bit more out of the 1 1/8oz loads you may want to try a milder primer, The Remington 209P and Win 209 are worth trying to reduce pressures and get a bit more velocity using more powder in the load, if that's what you want.


16gaWF , I don't use any data from BPI , To much difference in their data and most any other tested data . Thanks for the advice with other primers , I may give that a try when Tom starts testing again.
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16GAwaterfowler
PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:26 am  Reply with quote



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fn16ga wrote:
16GAwaterfowler wrote:
fn16ga wrote:
Couple loads I had tested .

Hull : 16ga Cheddite Green ( BPI #1391670 ) 2 3/4 Once Fired
Primer : Cheditte 209 CX2000 (Primers are marked with Black marker)
Powder: Alliant Steel 21.5 grains
Wad : PT-1680 (VP80) 4 Slits with (1) BPI 1/8 cork in cup
Shot: ITX10 #4 1 1/8 oz
Crimp 6 Fold crimps .050 deep

1186 fps 11000 psi

Test by Tom Arburst .



1315 fps ev 16 , 10880 psi ev 600

Some of the others have test loads with Steel powder , if you do a search you should be able to find them.

Big difference in your results and Ballistic Products, I'd go with Toms results more than BPI's
As a side note if you want a bit more out of the 1 1/8oz loads you may want to try a milder primer, The Remington 209P and Win 209 are worth trying to reduce pressures and get a bit more velocity using more powder in the load, if that's what you want.


16gaWF , I don't use any data from BPI , To much difference in their data and most any other tested data . Thanks for the advice with other primers , I may give that a try when Tom starts testing again.

If you or anyone else on here is interested, I've been trying to persuade Dr. Jon Samuelson from Reloading Specialties to make a 16 gauge steel wad. I gave him the specs to make a 16 gauge steel wad so it would hold up to one ounce of steel shot a while back, Jon told me if people showed enough interest he may be inclined to make a 16 ga RSI wad. If enough people call him and request one it may become a reality. Here's RSI's phone number
http://www.reloadingspecialtiesinc.com/Reloading_Specialties_Inc/Reloading_Specialties.html
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