16ga.com Forum Index
Author Message
<  16ga. Ammunition & Reloading  ~  Herters brass size issue
grouser47
PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:09 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 28 Mar 2006
Posts: 410
Location: New Brunswick,Canada

Bought several cases of Herters select field 1oz#8's. I was/am having ejection problems with both my mosel 12 and new Browning A5 sweet Sixteen. In comparing
the width of the brass on the base of the Herters to other makers including Cheddites, I found that the bases of Herters were noticeably smaller and were not being picked up by the ejectors.
Anyone else have this issue?
Cheers, John

_________________
A pointing dog and a 16GA -- It doesn't get better than this
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
df
PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:56 pm  Reply with quote



Joined: 01 Oct 2007
Posts: 312
Location: minneapolis

I shoot those shells and reloads from those shells in two different break open guns. Have had zero problems.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bbrown
PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:02 pm  Reply with quote
Member
Member


Joined: 12 Jun 2008
Posts: 337
Location: Kansas

I have had the same issue in my Model 12 and my Model 97. Both don't like to reliably eject. I have been using them as my second shot at skeet or sporting clays because of it, and I do not feel comfortable using them on doves or other game in those guns. The empties work great cut to 2.5" and roll crimped for my old sxs. I still wish they would work in my go to guns.

-Ben

_________________
1 Tim 1:15
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ohio Wirehair
PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:54 pm  Reply with quote



Joined: 24 Jul 2016
Posts: 146
Location: Ohio

Same thing happens in my 16 ga. Ithaca. I traded my empties for RGL hulls. 20 gauge is worse yet but the 12 gauge that I have picked up and reloaded are fine.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
67galaxie
PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:41 pm  Reply with quote



Joined: 16 Mar 2017
Posts: 92
Location: Valdosta GA

I have never shot any out of an auto loader but the side by sides, o/u's, pumps and single shots have all loved them. Send the rest of that box or case back for exchange
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Gil S
PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:10 am  Reply with quote
Member
Member


Joined: 04 Mar 2008
Posts: 1545
Location: Lowcountry Ga.

First of all, we all know what you mean by "brass". It's the "base" of the shell. Some folks call it the "head". Correct me if I have misnamed the part. However, I can't recall the last year bases were actually made of solid brass. Today, the head is made from steel and a thin wash of "brass" coats the steel. Steel bases on shotshells don't expand and contract like the old brass. Therein lies the difficulty with steel based shells of some manufacturers (and some varieties within the same company) in some guns.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
John Singer
PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:00 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 03 Sep 2014
Posts: 122
Location: Brooklyn, MI

I too have experienced the issue.

I wonder if Herters shells are being made by a variety of manufacturers with some variations in tolerances.

_________________
John Singer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
grouser47
PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:24 pm  Reply with quote



Joined: 28 Mar 2006
Posts: 410
Location: New Brunswick,Canada

df wrote:
I shoot those shells and reloads from those shells in two different break open guns. Have had zero problems.


Yep 0 problems with my break open guns -- just with pumps and semi's.
Yes, I was indeed referring to the base width -- compare them with the width of Federals, Remington's, Rio's and all others by placing them base to base and the Herter's are noticeably smaller! Thanks for the feedback!
Cheers, John

_________________
A pointing dog and a 16GA -- It doesn't get better than this
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
WyoChukar
PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:56 pm  Reply with quote



Joined: 16 Jul 2015
Posts: 593
Location: Hudson,Wy

As more people have these issues...perhaps the ammo price will drop due to sluggish sales! My doubles will gladly digest them for doves and clays.

_________________
Only catch snowflakes on your tongue AFTER the birds fly south for the winter...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Riflemeister
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:07 am  Reply with quote
Member
Member


Joined: 27 Jun 2012
Posts: 477

They work fine in all my 16 ga SXS's, in fact, I prefer them in my 1932 16 ga A H Fox. The only issue I have is the necks seem to split along the crimp line after 2-3 reloadings. Still, you've got to love having purple hulls. Anyone completely unenamoured with those hulls, I'd be glad to buy your once fired hulls.

_________________
An elderly gentleman, his faithful dogs, and a 16 ga SXS. All is right with the world.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dave Erickson
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:19 am  Reply with quote
Member
Member


Joined: 06 Nov 2009
Posts: 1964
Location: West Coast of WI

My A5 SW16 eats them like candy.

_________________
What friends I have, what days I treasure most, what places that I think about and smile . . . they are because shotguns are. Without them I would have been empty. They have made my life full. - Gene Hill
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dap
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:07 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 24 Mar 2010
Posts: 229
Location: Northwest PA

My 870 from 1950 and my dad's 1100 from 1971 both have problems with ejecting herter's shells. Neither of my two model 31's from 1947 have an issue.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Gil S
PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:55 am  Reply with quote
Member
Member


Joined: 04 Mar 2008
Posts: 1545
Location: Lowcountry Ga.

My then new 870 Express SuperMag Waterfowler/Turkey ( Express is synonym for junk) wouldn't extract RGL's, but would extract and eject Win Promos. Gil
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Hammer bill
PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:16 pm  Reply with quote



Joined: 09 Feb 2015
Posts: 131

I believe most older guns had tighter chambers. My model 12's don't like them either. But my side x sides and o/I'd work fine. When I size today's shells I use my super sixer. Elminatesb99% of the problem with the steel heads.
Lucky I have about a thousand old compression 1pc brass AA's with brass heads yet.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
All times are GMT - 7 Hours

View next topic
View previous topic
Page 1 of 1
16ga.com Forum Index  ~  16ga. Ammunition & Reloading

Post new topic   Reply to topic


 
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum




Powered by phpBB and NoseBleed v1.09