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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ Fiber wads |
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:15 am
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Joined: 13 Apr 2017
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Anyone have some some good fiber wad loads for the 16 gauge in 2&3/4 and 2&9/16 lengths? Currently available powders please. |
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:34 am
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Location: Amarillo, Texas
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:47 am
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Joined: 07 Apr 2007
Posts: 1624
Location: northwewst Wyoming
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The following recipes are for 16 GA straight walled hulls or RMC brass hulls.
7/8oz shot, 16.6 grains Green dot, Win primer, Card wad with fiber filler.
7/8oz shot, 16.5 grains Unique, Win primer, Card wad with Fiber filler.
Both loads are rated at 1190fps, 2 1/2drams. Equiv.
I have not shot or patterned the 7/8 0z. green Dot load.
*3/4 or 7/8 oz shot, 18.3 grains Unique, Win primer, card wad, fiber filler.
1230fps, rated at 2 3/4 Dram. Equiv.
Load them all at about 40 lbs. pressure on the wads.
*This load patterned outstanding in my AyA and my friends Parker and is perfect for Blue and Ruff grouse. I also use the load for dove, Huns and Quail
I have shot, patterned and chronographed the loads listed below.
Shot wt. Vel. Powder Gr. Wads PSI
1oz. 1178 SR4756 28 card & fiber 5780
1oz. 1238 SR4756 30 “ 6440
1oz. 1328 SR4756 * 32 “ 7440
1 1/8oz. 1325 SR4756 ** 32 “ 9620
1oz. 2 ¾ dr Trail Boss *** 23 card and fiber
1 1/8oz. 3 dr Trail Boss **** 25 card and fiber
I know that you asked for loads using currently available powder, but that rascal skeettx referenced 4756, so I added 4 of my all time favorite loads. If you can locate a jug of SR4756, I wouldn't hesitate load up the above 1 and 1 1/8 oz, recipes.
The Trail Boss loads came from Tom Armbrust and when I run out of 4756 I'll use TB. |
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:49 am
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Joined: 07 Apr 2007
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Location: northwewst Wyoming
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Sorry, double post. |
Last edited by jschultz on Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:48 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Posted:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:40 am
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Joined: 08 Oct 2006
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Location: Tappahannock, Virginia
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jschultz wrote: |
*3/4 or 7/8 oz shot, 18.3 grains Unique, Win primer, card wad, fiber filler.
1230fps, rated at 2 3/4 Dram. Equiv.
Load them all at about 40 lbs. pressure on the wads.
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This is my standard load for pen raised quail. I've been using it for two seasons now. |
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Sun May 31, 2020 5:23 pm
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Joined: 13 Apr 2017
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Loads work well but unique sometimes is not clean burning. |
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Sun May 31, 2020 5:23 pm
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Joined: 13 Apr 2017
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Loads work well but unique sometimes is not clean burning. |
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Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:24 am
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Joined: 08 Oct 2006
Posts: 1395
Location: Tappahannock, Virginia
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You can try using 17gr Green Dot instead and see if that burns cleaner. |
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Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:20 am
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Joined: 19 Nov 2013
Posts: 381
Location: NW Arkansas
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Back in the wonderful days of the Yahoo 16 gauge site, I took a recipe from the Generic Load section for the following:
17.0 grains of Red Dot, 1 oz shot, 109 CCI primer and fiber wads. I don't have access to the specifics anymore (since the site is no longer available, and I didn't save the files), but this was a relatively low pressure load for any hull as I recall. I have loaded it the past 3 years or so to shoot in my NID, both in old 2 and 3/4 inch and 2 and 5/8 paper hulls, J.C.Higgins (Federals) and several types of Winchesters.
There aren't a lot of 16 gauge recipes for Red Dot, but this is one.
All I can say is it does a good job on wild bobwhite quail out of my M/F NID. Note that CCI 109 and CCI 209 primers are interchangeable, I simply have quite a few of the older 109s still around. With regard to 2 and 5/8 inch hulls, I put a nickel in the last station slot of my 600 jr. to bring the hull up to proper height to crimp right, rather than readjust the final station for a couple of boxes of shells (the J.C.H.s in the pic were 2 and 3/4 but some of my Win's were 2 and 5/8.}
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:39 pm
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Location: Minnesota
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For those of you that use the card and fibre loads, do you find they pattern more open than a similar load with a plastic wad? Seeing 4setters say he uses them in his NID made me remember I have some old paper shells I could use in the NID I recently got from another member that's choked pretty full,especially in the left barrel. |
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Posted:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:24 am
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Joined: 24 Jul 2016
Posts: 548
Location: Ohio
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That Green Dot load with Bismuth would be a interesting load for over decoys. I would love not putting plastic in the water. For those more knowledgeable then I, more or less pressure then with plastic wads? |
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:42 am
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Joined: 04 Mar 2019
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Location: Central ND
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Always less, given the same primer, same powder, same powder charge, same shot type and payload weight. |
_________________ Mark...You are entitled to your own opinion. You aren't entitled to your own facts. |
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:07 pm
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Joined: 24 Jun 2013
Posts: 2067
Location: canandaigua - western n.y. (formerly deerhunter)
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when I decided I needed to create the super mag at the goading of Mark and Mike Campbell , i really thought i had to really go chicken sh++ ! I took the mag load for 11/4 out of my Lyman 2 , and the 1st load was with card and fiber - @ 1050 fps and @7800psi ! .... the home run load was exactly the same with a DR OP and fiber filler - 1230fps and 9800 psi - homer on that one - the only diff in the 2 loads was that plastic gas seal !(25gr Blue Dot , chedd primer and 600 grns shot ) |
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Posted:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:17 pm
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Savage16 wrote: |
For those of you that use the card and fibre loads, do you find they pattern more open than a similar load with a plastic wad? Seeing 4setters say he uses them in his NID made me remember I have some old paper shells I could use in the NID I recently got from another member that's choked pretty full,especially in the left barrel.
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My bore gauge today revealed just how full that left barrel is on your NID, like 32 points Full. That sure is a nice gun though. Nicest NID 16 I've ever seen. |
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Posted:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:50 pm
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Joined: 24 Jul 2016
Posts: 548
Location: Ohio
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MSM2019 wrote: |
Always less, given the same primer, same powder, same powder charge, same shot type and payload weight.
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Thanks Mark,that's what I kinda thought. |
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