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the possum
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:09 pm  Reply with quote



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Hey there, guys. I've been lurking here for a long time, and finally have a reason to post. I recently acquired an old German Drilling 16 ga with 2 1/2" chambers in great shape, and would like to take it afield for dove and quail.

I had been planning to buy such a gun for years, so I've already acquired some stuff I knew I'd need. I have on hand:

2 1/2" Cheddite hulls
Cheddite primers
A bunch of nickel plated shot
Roll crimping tool from Ballistic products, & a drill press
Lee load-all 16 gauge reloader
Separate powder measure & scale I already have for rifle & pistol
Lots of load data spreadsheets from the 16 Gauge reloading group

I do not have wads yet, and have not settled on a powder.

Now that I finally have a reason to dig into the load data, I'm sorta being hit with information overload, and in some cases I'm not sure if they're talking about 2 1/2" or 2 3/4" loads, roll crimp or star crimp, etc.

I would like to use 1 oz (or maybe even 1 1/8 oz) loads at modest pressure & velocity, and had planned on roll crimping. I do already have a shelf full of powders for other things, and possible candidates include HS-6, Longshot, Red Dot, and Unique. I'm not totally opposed to buying a different powder for this, but if I could use one I already keep on hand, it would be great.

What wad and powder would you recommend for this specific use & components I already have?
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skeettx
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:15 pm  Reply with quote
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Hello the possum
and welcome on your first posting
I also shoot a 2 1/2 " 16 gauge drilling.


Mine is a 16x16x8x57IR

Yours is steel barreled and nitro proofed?

I don't roll crimp for it but pie crimp but only use 7/8 ounce wads and it has proven very effective on targets and game alike

Again, Welcome
Mike

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the possum
PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:19 pm  Reply with quote



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Thanks for the welcome, skeettx, and that's a nice lookin' gun! Mine is a nitro proofed hammer gun (love the rounded actions) with a 9.3x72R barrel. I always wanted one for quail hunting, in case a coyote popped outta the brush.
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the possum
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:52 am  Reply with quote



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In the interim, I've been poring over load data and googling, and have some potential loads I'd like to run past the group. Some of these might have even been posted by you guys on other forums.


From the 16 ga reloading group tables:

Cheddite 2 1/2", 1 oz of shot, Longshot: 18.0 grns, Win 209 primer, BP SG-16 wad, 1200 fps, 7,270 psi, from Precision

It did not specify whether this was roll crimped or star crimped. I guess I could make it work either way, but does anyone here know which one they're talking about? And would Cheddite primers vs Winchester be enough of a difference to get me in trouble?

Here is a load I found on another forum:
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Using Cheddite and Federal hulls, Winchester 209 primers ...and for 1 ounce loads I use 19.5 grains of Unique and the Gualandi 1618 wad. Both are in the 1150 fps MV range and chamber pressures are sub 9K. I'm pretty much old school so I trim my hulls to 2 9/16th inches and roll crimp. I think BPI sells the Gualandi 1621 wad as the SG16L.


After looking around, I believe the Gualandi 1621 wad is actually the SG16 at BPI:
http://www.ballisticproducts.com/SG16-Sporting-16ga-wads-250_bag/productinfo/072SG16/ And again, would Winchester primers vs. Cheddite cause a problem?

Out of the two, I like the first load with Longshot since it is lower pressure, but again I'd like to know about the crimp before hand. [/url]
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fn16ga
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:27 am  Reply with quote
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For 1 oz I would go with the Unique load
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:37 pm  Reply with quote
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the possum wrote:
In the interim, I've been poring over load data and googling, and have some potential loads I'd like to run past the group. Some of these might have even been posted by you guys on other forums.


From the 16 ga reloading group tables:

Cheddite 2 1/2", 1 oz of shot, Longshot: 18.0 grns, Win 209 primer, BP SG-16 wad, 1200 fps, 7,270 psi, from Precision

It did not specify whether this was roll crimped or star crimped. I guess I could make it work either way, but does anyone here know which one they're talking about? And would Cheddite primers vs Winchester be enough of a difference to get me in trouble?

Here is a load I found on another forum:
Quote:
Using Cheddite and Federal hulls, Winchester 209 primers ...and for 1 ounce loads I use 19.5 grains of Unique and the Gualandi 1618 wad. Both are in the 1150 fps MV range and chamber pressures are sub 9K. I'm pretty much old school so I trim my hulls to 2 9/16th inches and roll crimp. I think BPI sells the Gualandi 1621 wad as the SG16L.


After looking around, I believe the Gualandi 1621 wad is actually the SG16 at BPI:
http://www.ballisticproducts.com/SG16-Sporting-16ga-wads-250_bag/productinfo/072SG16/ And again, would Winchester primers vs. Cheddite cause a problem?

Out of the two, I like the first load with Longshot since it is lower pressure, but again I'd like to know about the crimp before hand. [/url]


I might be wrong in this assumption, and if I am someone will surely correct me Wink, but when looking at 16ga data I assume that it is a 6pt crimp unless otherwise stated.

All but the very low pressure loads can be sealed with a roll crimp substitution which will result in about a 500 psi drop in pressure per my gathering here and other sources. Hope that helps...
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16'er
PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:42 pm  Reply with quote
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As for primer substitutions, check this out for a bit of insight:

http://www.armbrust.acf2.org/primersubs.htm
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