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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ heavy loads in 16g |
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Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:36 am
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Joined: 24 Jun 2013
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Location: canandaigua - western n.y. (formerly deerhunter)
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Mark , agree totally ! |
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Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:26 pm
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Location: massachusetts
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Like others have stated, I'd rather have a couple or four 1-1/4 ounce 16 gauge loads in my vest rather than run back to the parking lot for a 12 gauge in the hopes the bird will stay put long enough for me to make the round trip.
Doubtful at best at my age. More than likely, I'd make it back just in time to simultaneously watch the bird fly off as I have a coronary.
I've been using Blue Dot for my 1-1/4 ounce loads for a long time now. At about 1250 FPS, velocities are more than adequate for #4 shot, pressures are moderate, and the patterns from my Citori are good enough to kill birds out as far as I can cleanly hit them.
Other here may not agree, but IMO, different loads are simply tools. Each tool has its place if it's a useful tool. Better to have them and not need them rather than need them and not have them. Each to his own. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
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Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:31 pm
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Location: Amarillo, Texas
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So, no issues with using these loads in an Ithaca Flues, or FW Smith, or Stevens SXS or hammer Husky?
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Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:04 am
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Joined: 01 Mar 2017
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Gentlemen - i.e. Castnblast, byrdog, 16gaDavis, Dogchaser, Pumpgun and 16gaugeguy- thank you very much for your input and advice, without addition of opinion based on ignorance. Thank you again, sincerely.
Cheyanne - if you have a problem with "threads" may I suggest you go to the drugstore and get yourself two doses of fenbendazole; take a week apart and don't forget to burn the bedding....
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Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:00 am
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Joined: 24 Jun 2013
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Location: canandaigua - western n.y. (formerly deerhunter)
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I think what skeetx and a few others are alluding to ....The 13/8 super mag tested out at 1200 fps and 9.8K as tested by Precision . Standable ballistics . However . I have a Stevens side lever single - shoots these nicely and standable . Can't quite figure that one out . However . Shoot one of those babies out of my 31 std weight (testing a stock repair) or my M12"s (used to shoot many mags out of the old one) , and it will send you to the shrink pronto !! That's all these guys are trying to say - that the guns may or may not tolerate them , but they will be tested ! A BPS or 870 - they'll take what you can throw , but the old doubles etc , they will probably protest with a busted stock , twisted receiver , broken nose , bruised shoulder to the pt of flinching etc . Much nicer getting really acquainted with the 7/8 ozers . Unless hunting in the zero temp bracket with a pile of goose down on ! Just approach the 11/4 loads with caution . |
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Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:34 am
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Joined: 08 Aug 2011
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Location: Central CT
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I took the thread, because of the reference to IMR 4227, that chamber pressures with the powders we have are suspect or somehow in excess of what some folks think is safe.
While I don’t use the 1 1/4 oz. loads much in the 16, they certainly are viable and perfectly safe.
........and no I wouldn’t use them in my older guns, because I wouldn’t want to abuse the old wood. Chamber pressure is not the issue, but excessive recoil is. |
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Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:16 pm
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Location: massachusetts
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From my previous post, "from my Citori". I said not a word about these loads in older guns. I wouldn't for the same reasons DC states. I wouldn't light one off in a very light gun either--unless I'm really drunk or temporarily crazy enough to. But at 6.8 lbs, my Citori handles them very well w/o handing out a walloping at the same time if out hunting. Whomping me upside the head w/ a cast iron skillet would probably go unnoticed if I'm locked on a pheasant.
PS: That's not an invite Cheyenne08. |
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Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:13 am
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pbeaver wrote: |
I have not loaded any heavy 16s, but I have heard good things about longshot. You don't need a load that heavy to cleanly take a pheasant. Have you considered buying a box of factory ammo for this purpose? Maybe Fiocci Golden Pheasant.
Phil
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Actually, my favorite rooster load when I can shoot lead is a 2.5" 1oz roll crimped load of 6's or 5's at 12-1300 fps. Very efficient. |
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:26 pm
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Location: Hudson,Wy
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For what it is worth. 1 1/8 oz will reach darn far with the right choke and quality components. I dropped some huns and chukars a mighty long way from the muzzle today with 1 1/8 ox of #7 mag lead. I use the same for pheasant, but load #5 instead.
It is a load using Longshot and velocity is not too far above 1200 fps. I could easily and safely load much higher velocity or heavier payload using Longshot if I thought it to be advantageous.
Longshot is ideal, in terms of burn rate/curve, for heavy loads in the 16 ga. Too bad it leaks like water. Be very careful when choosing what wad to use with straight walled hulls. A snug fit is needed to avoid unpleasant bloopers in the field after shells have jostled in pockets. Cure the leak issues and the stuff is fantastic. |
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Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:33 am
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Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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Location: Maine
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Has anyone had powder migration issues with SP16 (rem) wads in Activ hulls? Blue dot is the powder I have in mind. |
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Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:51 am
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Yes you will get powder migration problems with that hull/wad combination. |
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