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< 16ga. General Discussion ~ 2 1/2 inch shotshell for vintage Greener |
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Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:29 am
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Location: Visalia CA.
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Hello 16ga. I just picked up a little 16ga. Greener with Damascus barrels it has 2 1/2 inch chambers and was CIP nitro proofed in 2014 my question is what shotshells can I use in it I know the shells need to be low pressure but that's about as far as I got.
Any info. would be appreciated. |
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Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:26 pm
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Location: Lowcountry Ga.
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There are two highly regarded commercial factories for low pressure loads. Polywad and RST. Both companies manufacture 2.5" shells. RST has a larger assortment per gauge. I have bought both. For this year, I bought two flats of Polywads in 2.5", #7.5 shot. |
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Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:38 pm
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Location: Amarillo, Texas
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Basic info
You need to have the barrel evaluated
You need to have the barrel measured
Then use the RST loads
Mike |
Last edited by skeettx on Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:40 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:02 pm
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If your gun was "proofed" in 2014, especially in the UK, I would feel confident shooting low pressure loads. If the gun has been altered through wear or work done, under UK law, it must be reproofed before sale. The barrels are evaluated by the proof house and must be pit free, gun on face, etc. Chances are, the gun was "cleaned up" to remove pits before sale after restoration. As Mike pointed out, "measure" the barrels means to determine the minimum wall thickness, especially from the chamber forward to the muzzle. The critical area is from chamber forward for the first 9" and especially where the chamber meets the forcing cone. I don't believe the inspection by the proof house measures minimum wall thickness. Some British guns are incredibly light due to thinner barrel construction. Gil |
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Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:56 pm
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Location: Florida
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What load was it proof for , more than likely if it was nitro proofed in 2014 it is still in proof . |
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Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:00 pm
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Location: Valdosta GA
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1) I would love to see some pictures of this gem and 2) I love the low pressure shells from polywad and rst! Turkey, quail, dove, ducks and clays do not know the difference. After all an ounce of 6's is an ounce of 6's right? |
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Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:33 am
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Location: Endless Mountains of Pa
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FiremanFred22,
The men are giving you good advise, unless the gun was proof tested in the USA, Germany or GB consider having here done here in the USA.
I use both the Poly 2 1/2 SpredR loads or the RST's in my good German and American Classic 2 1/2" double guns, however all these guns have Krupp Barrels on them and have been shot for many life times already.
My advise to you is to find out who proofed your double gun and where, more than likely the 2014 proof test will hold true, if it was done by a Brit, German or USA company.
Post some pictures of you gun will ya?
Pine Creek/Dave |
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Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:06 pm
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Pine Creek/Dave wrote: |
FiremanFred22,
The men are giving you good advise, unless the gun was proof tested in the USA, Germany or GB consider having here done here in the USA.
I use both the Poly 2 1/2 SpredR loads or the RST's in my good German and American Classic 2 1/2" double guns, however all these guns have Krupp Barrels on them and have been shot for many life times already.
My advise to you is to find out who proofed your double gun and where, more than likely the 2014 proof test will hold true, if it was done by a Brit, German or USA company.
Post some pictures of you gun will ya?
Pine Creek/Dave
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I didn't think there WERE any proof houses in the USA. Enlighten me please to where to send a shotgun to be proofed here in the USA?
Dale |
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Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:24 am
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Location: Visalia CA.
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[quote="firemanfred22"]Hello 16ga. I just picked up a little 16ga. Greener with Damascus barrels it has 2 1/2 inch chambers and was CIP nitro proofed in 2014 my question is what shotshells can I use in it I know the shells need to be low pressure but that's about as far as I got.
Any info. would be appreciated.[/quote]
Thanks for the input all.
To answer some questions, the barrels were CIP proofed CIP (N) in England in 2014
I believe the (N) letter designates 11850 PSI. the barrels are mirror perfect on the inside and on face. On the outside the left barrel has a long sandpaper scratch ? the last owner trying to remove rust spots I guess. receiver was polished by some one and the stocks are I perfect shape. I purchased a flat of Polywad 2.5" shells Cant wait until they get here so I can shoot it. I would like to post photos but I cant click and paste. |
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:42 am
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Dale,
I believe Browning and Ruger both have their own proof testing facilities, I do believe they will retest, however I have no idea of the price they charge. Hunter Arms had their own test facility, however they are long gone now.
Pine Creek/Dave |
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Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:48 pm
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Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:45 am
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Pine Creek/Dave wrote: |
Dale,
I believe Browning and Ruger both have their own proof testing facilities, I do believe they will retest, however I have no idea of the price they charge. Hunter Arms had their own test facility, however they are long gone now.
Pine Creek/Dave
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Thanks Dave, I know firearm manufactures test their own firearms, but have never heard of any of them that offer proof testing to individuals for their own personal firearms, especially if they are vintage and foreign.
They sure don't advertise it.
Dale |
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:31 pm
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Joined: 11 Dec 2017
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Location: Vermont
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Hi
Bashieri & Pellagri, Italian shotgun shells are very nice for older or European CIP-proofed guns. I now use them almost exclusively. Their 16ga shells pattern well and shoot clean.
Unfortunately they don’t make their “Dispersantes “ any longer. These were good spreaders.
Frank |
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:35 pm
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Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:42 pm
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Joined: 11 Dec 2017
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Location: Vermont
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Aerostar Outdoors
Aerostaroutdoors dott com
Every once in a while they have a sale and I’ll stock up. Even at egular prices they’re not too bad.
They used to list pressures on the website (maybe still do?) but they’re all CIP shells.
Also good source for 2 1/2 Inchers.
Frank |
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