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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ DR16 Petals Not Separating |
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Thu May 24, 2018 10:12 am
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Location: Rhode Island
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I am shooting 3/4 oz. in Cheddite 2 1/2" hulls, DR16 wads with a .028 over-shot card at 1,200 fps in a Winchester Model 21, skeet 1 and 2, with 26" barrels. Examining spent wads, I find that typically two of the petals don't separate because the haven't broken the two 'tabs' between them. This can't be good for the pattern. Any thoughts/comments?
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Don |
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Thu May 24, 2018 10:34 am
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There are many wads that have petals stitched together and it makes absolutely no difference in the patterning, whether the petals break apart or stay stitched.
DR-16 wads pattern very well. |
_________________ Mark |
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Thu May 24, 2018 11:23 am
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Location: Rhode Island
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Mark
I wonder why they do it? It certainly increases their mold making costs. I've seen up to 15 cavities marked in the bag I am using; there are probably more. There must be a difinitive reason.
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Don |
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Thu May 24, 2018 11:53 am
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keeps petals together in shape, gives easier/better/more reliable automated reloading with machines. Don't have to worry about flared out petals or petals that get inside shot tubes. It's an automation improvement.
I saw the same thing in the RXP20 wads Rem uses in the new AmericanClay and Field 20ga loads. I posted almost verbatim to you LOL:
"Upon recovery of some of the wads, the stitching didn’t come undone– 3 of 4 petals intact, just one petal peeled back. That can’t be good for your patterns."
I got the same answer. Short of shooting a bunch of patterns and recovering each wad to correlate petal separation with patterns, it's all conjecture...so I'm leaning towards "it doesn't matter to the pattern" since I can shoot a round of skeet and get consistent good breaks with the Rem ACFs just the same as my reloads with the CB wads. However, I will say that a few guys who were worried about it like you and I, just shove their thumb into the wad and split the petals before loading. |
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Thu May 24, 2018 12:59 pm
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I did shoot many patterns with the DR-16 when I was developing loads that would cycle my Remington 1100 and the stitching intact or not has no effect on the patterns.
You can drive yourself nuts with this stuff trying to be perfect.
My advice is.........don't do it!!!! Go out and have fun with your reloads!!
OCD tendencies and shotshells don't mix!! |
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Thu May 24, 2018 1:51 pm
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I have a bag of 8 petal windjammer wads that are stitched together. Very helpful in keeping the thin petals from folding into the shot during loading. In my patterning I have found the windjammers tend to pattern a little more open than some other wads. |
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Thu May 24, 2018 5:28 pm
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Arent the DR's that you find the ones that you can reuse?? |
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Thu May 24, 2018 5:49 pm
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To my knowledge Big Green was the first to use stitched wads---hence the "S" moniker in the description---Helps with automated machines---no problem w/single stage loaders |
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Fri May 25, 2018 5:34 am
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Stitched petals are NOT a problem. Stitched petals greatly improve the ease of loading new ammunition in a factory or when home ballisticians create their own wonder shells. When Remington first did this years ago the reloading community panicked and great numbers of patterns were shot, pellet holes counted and distributions were analyzed. Stitching has zero effect on patterns. If you wish to ignore solid, confirmed, repeated data and pull apart your petals then go ahead and waste some of your valuable time on this planet and pull them apart. Watch a slow motion video of a shotgun being fired. The wad separates from the shot immediately upon exiting the barrel. Load shells, shoot them up and repeat.
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Tue May 29, 2018 8:39 am
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What the hell guys . . . haven't you seen the new tool from Ballistic Products?? The Stitch Cutter. $20. It solves all these problems. |
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Wed May 30, 2018 8:30 am
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Choke works by retarding the wad to varying degrees, altering its influence on the shot as it emerges from the muzzle. Whether or not the wad is intact or opening immediately shouldn't matter, unless it's a Flitecontrol version.
Do they make a tool to stitch wads together? Could be useful on excessive units like Windjammers.
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Posted:
Wed May 30, 2018 10:53 am
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Yes, SuperGlue
But I use Scotch Tape |
Last edited by skeettx on Wed May 30, 2018 7:44 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Wed May 30, 2018 6:55 pm
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Then how did choke work before plastic wads? |
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Wed May 30, 2018 7:36 pm
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Does the tape go on the inside or outside?
Fiber wads are still wads. |
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Posted:
Wed May 30, 2018 7:44 pm
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outside |
Last edited by skeettx on Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:07 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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