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Member Joined: 08 Oct 2012 Posts: 371 Location: Indiana

I'm confident I'll be very happy!

I have no statistics or empirical evidence to offer, but, I can say that experience with the Muller chokes that I have purchased have hit birds, clay and live, harder and more consistently than the factory Browning chokes that came with my Citori.

Chuck

Member Joined: 08 Oct 2012 Posts: 371 Location: Indiana

Yes msm2019 I read several horror story's but read 100x more very happy fella's with there tubes.

Member Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 141 Location: Kentucky

(MSM2019) When you are listing your choke ID's it would be interesting to know the bore diameter you are using for your + and - figures. I don't understand your complaining about the small differences in Briley and Trulock choke diameters. When I order 16 gauge chokes from Briley I usually specify .005 difference between each choke. Some guns we use chokes .002 apart on the more open chokes. Our patterning shows as little as .002 can make a big difference when changing from one brand of shell to another. I glad that the large diameter difference between Muller chokes fitted your wants. That in no way means Briley and Trulock are doing a disservice to us by having multiple diameters to choose from. I believe that's why they are successful in selling chokes. I find like you that the size marked on a factory Browning chokes means nothing. I have seen their skeet tubes tighter than modified, modified more open than improved cylinder and etc. They only consistence I find in 16 gauge Browning tubes is their full tube is always really full and then some. I hope when you pattern the Muller chokes they give you what you want.
Tom

Joined: 04 Mar 2019 Posts: 1842 Location: Central ND

Bore diameter of both barrels is 0.666".

Sure no issue on the patterning. I am guessing next week.

I really don't want to get into a choke tube pi**ing contest, I am only answering the questions that browningsweet161977 has asked.

So let's not make this a Muller vs Briley vs Trulock thread.

Guest

I owned a couple Citori 16's and Browning did indeed have no logic to the constrictions on those tubes. I think a lot of folks had a knee-jerk reaction to the DS Invectors on the new A5's (SW16's) and cried for new tubes without even trying the Browning factory DS tubes. I've been well satisfied with my factory DS tubes and the people I know who are actively hunting and shooting the new DS tubes have been happy with them, too.

Member Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 141 Location: Kentucky

(MSM2019) I have nothing against Muller chokes. I've shot them a lot and they give as good a pattern as anything we've used. You just don't have as many choices to cover different loads and shot sizes. When Muller's give the pattern we want with the load we've chosen we use them with great success. There's no doubt that they win many shoots. I think I remember that Muller constriction sizes in 16 gauge are based a .668 bore.
Tom

Joined: 04 Mar 2019 Posts: 1842 Location: Central ND

tdnathens,

.668" and my bores are .666" hmmmmmmm. Anybody wanna buy my Mullers?

Seriously, I think you are missing the point of this thread. It has to do with the fact that the OP bought some Muller chokes and just wanted to know if anyone liked them, had trouble with them and if anyone put #6 lead shot through them......and then I took it off topic by adding my 2 cents which i am now regretting.

Member Joined: 08 Oct 2012 Posts: 371 Location: Indiana

MSM2019, I really appreciate your response to my original post and your input of your successful shooting of different loads. Without your reply I would still be nervous about these chokes.
I'm sorry I got you in a mess with off topic debates.
Thank you again your input was super helpful!
Joe

Joined: 04 Mar 2019 Posts: 1842 Location: Central ND

Square Load,

I wish my Citori had the DS chokes unfortunately they are the Invector with no parallel section. They are super short conical chokes with no degree of quality. They throw the worst patterns with no discernable difference between skeet 1, I/C and mod. My I/C threw tighter patterns than my mod. did.

Briley and Trulock chokes were only marginally better as far as pattern percentages.

I have another shotgun with Briley Thin Walls and they are wonderful.

[quote="MSM2019"]Square Load,

I wish my Citori had the DS chokes unfortunately they are the Invector with no parallel section. They are super short conical chokes with no degree of quality. They throw the worst patterns with no discernable difference between skeet 1, I/C and mod. My I/C threw tighter patterns than my mod. did.

I also own a 16ga. Citori and agree with you.

In my previous post I was responding to what Dave had said about the DS chokes.

Joined: 04 Mar 2019 Posts: 1842 Location: Central ND

Dennis,

Gotcha, All I have heard are good things about the DS chokes.

You must not spend any time on the Shotgun World Forums Shocked

Joined: 04 Mar 2019 Posts: 1842 Location: Central ND

I do but I don't pay attention to much of it.