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| < 16ga. General Discussion ~ What chokes to use in 16ga. O/U with #4 & #5 shot |
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:43 pm
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Nick, This monkey could hardly get any bananas last week in SD despite bringing guns of various gauge and choke, so please, at extreme speed, send all your spare magic wands! Thanks for the laugh  |
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:25 pm
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Way back when all shotguns were cylinder bore folks killed birds. Now that we have constrictions in our barrels, folks kill birds.
Not sure if choke is all 6" between the ears but it is at least 5.0".
Choke is not responsible for you hitting or missing a bird. I do think that some choke is necessary to anchor a bird reliably.
I haven't EVER seen anyone shoot appreciably better with one choke over another. Either you shoot correctly or you don't and no amount choke or lack there of will change that. Choke changes pattern size by inches i.e insignificant.
Loads are much the same. Whether it is 3/4 oz. or 1 3/8 oz. Either you center the pattern on the target or you don't and throwing more/bigger shot doesn't change much.
Shooting well is much more dependent on the shooter than it will ever be on choke/load selection. |
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:59 pm
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Well said Mark , but you know folks like to play with their gadgets.
Look how many turkeys I have take with cylinder bore.
If I can run them on Skeet it make no nevermind about choke.
If I can't then the Ole sister finds another home.
Regards, Nick |
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Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:49 am
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| All good points. In my case it's the gun-fit, balance, time in the saddle, and who knows what else, but man I've had a good time with my 16 SxS this season. At the very least my results prove to me that a 16 is enough gun when it's pointed in the right direction. I've been working toward getting to this point with a light SxS for a long time, so I'm a little stunned to finally have the pieces fall together. |
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Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:03 am
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Not that one trip can make the call for all time but I believe my off eye takes over more readily with an O/U than other types especially SxS. Your 686 usually works and I could do okay with the O/U's I've owned, but I got that feeling of the wrong eye leading the show on more than one occasion. Maybe most often when feeling tired, but it was real.
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That's exactly what I've experienced with my OU. If I'm a bit tired my off-eye starts grabbing those barrels. It's easy to check by just throwing up the gun a couple times and closing each eye one at a time when mounted. That's where I found myself the other day when I started missing in South Dakota, and I knew unless someone injected me with some sleep it was going to continue. I never experience that with a SxS, and it's part because my thumb blocks my left eye, and part because the barrel profile is slim. It's an odd turnaround because the gun I always felt was the most difficult to master seems to be the cure right now. Whatever the case, I'm running with it! |
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Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:59 am
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| This thread is about the 1st hr of the last call with Nick . I always liked open choke , but with maybe .003/.005 to touch the fringe shot a little .... The eye thing is also ahoot . Developed cataracts the last couple yrs , but not at the same speed . Left eye was worse and had that done last winter . Now , that eye is pretty good! Right is gonna get done this winter - getting worse . I'm adapting my skeet - high house looks like a 15 ' lead as lefty is getting a real good look at it emerging . Worked my way back to 23/24 , but know that will change once righty gets fixed .... those of you that have had to get glasses , don't think that's the ed all catch all for shooting (or golf for that matter) as my eyes have emerged the last few yrs , righty needs about +1 that lefty doesn't . Have a one eyed glass for most of the time , and just throw a + 1.5 reg reader on for reading - works great . The +1 isn't much , but it actually turns what you see on a twist - just a bit ! Bird isn't quite where you think , nor is the golf ball ! It just takes practice and patience to overcome some of these things , and the prairie isn't the best place to discover things are a little off !!( maybe everything really IS a hologram !) |
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Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:03 am
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| Dave Erickson wrote: |
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Not that one trip can make the call for all time but I believe my off eye takes over more readily with an O/U than other types especially SxS. Your 686 usually works and I could do okay with the O/U's I've owned, but I got that feeling of the wrong eye leading the show on more than one occasion. Maybe most often when feeling tired, but it was real.
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That's exactly what I've experienced with my OU. If I'm a bit tired my off-eye starts grabbing those barrels. It's easy to check by just throwing up the gun a couple times and closing each eye one at a time when mounted. That's were I found myself the other day when I started missing in South Dakota, and I knew unless someone injected me with some sleep it was going to continue. I never experience that with a SxS, and it's part because my thumb blocks my left eye, and part because the barrel profile is slim. it's an odd turnaround because the gun I always felt was the most difficult to master seems to be the cure right now. Whatever the case, I'm running with it!
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I started off with pump and SxS 16s, the O/U made sense for Trap doubles and a 3200 with 32" barrels gave me those not-quite-right sensations. An older Beretta Trap O/U lets me crib my thumb up enough for vision blocking work, so far so good. A ridiculously wide rib on another O/U so far has maintained right eye focus, but I haven't shot it while sleepy yet either. The experiments continue. |
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