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Jta5er
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:55 pm  Reply with quote



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I have 2 16ga Sxs with pigeons engraved on them,both Belgium made around 1920s with tight chokes. Do you guys believe they are actually pigeon guns? Maybe for Youth or women( 14 1/4” thin wrists)? Or just decorated that way like a modern pigeon grade?





They work nice for doves .025 and .030 chokes

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Swampy16
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:20 am  Reply with quote



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I’m pretty sure it means the highest level of finish. Also, the internal parts would be polished, etc. I know Browning made model 12’s in Pigeon grade and collectors will shank each other to get their hands on a real one.
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Jta5er
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:45 am  Reply with quote



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Thanks swampy. I wasn’t sure but do believe you are correct, judging from the consensus( I posted question to many).

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Swampy16
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:39 am  Reply with quote



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Sorry, I meant Winchester, not Browning.
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Riflemeister
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:13 am  Reply with quote
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They possibly could be live pigeon competition guns if they are a bit heavier and more robust than hunting guns. If they had single triggers and a fatter forend I would definitely think they were live pigeon guns.

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Dave Erickson
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:24 am  Reply with quote
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Beautiful 16's.
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Jta5er
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:37 am  Reply with quote



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Thanks
Also asked at DGJ simultaneously,most believe game guns. 6.25lbs 2 5/8 drop at heel.
Did they actual hunt wild pigeons in early 20th century? I would have used partridge, grouse, woodcock, Huns or something actually hunted for adornment on a high end game gun?

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Swampy16
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:03 am  Reply with quote



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Live Pigeon Guns normally we’re built with no safety.
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Swampy16
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:14 am  Reply with quote



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Hers an example.
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/shotguns-live-pigeon/parker-bros-dhe-live-pigeon.cfm?gun_id=101516369
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Dave in Maine
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:57 pm  Reply with quote



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I kinda doubt anyone ever made/used 16 ga for live pigeon shoots. A couple reasons. 1. the load was set by rule. IIRC it was 1 1/4 ounces of shot with 3 3/4 or 3 1/2 drams equivalent of powder. 2. The birds were set out/released from the traps at a long range. 3. You had to shoot both barrels, even if you killed the bird on the first shot. (Everyone takes the same beating, so to speak).
Pigeon guns were both heavy - to absorb the recoil - and strong - to take the beating of many heavy loads.

I think RST makes pigeon loads (live bird shoots are legal in their home state of PA) and you can look up what they are loaded at.

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