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< 16ga. General Discussion ~ Took the 1894 Remington SxS to a smith this week.. |
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Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:54 pm
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asking tor a cleaning and lube, to see if I can return to the field this coming Fall.
Should have it back by mid-June.
Will keep ye posted.
Smith is in Grand Rapids, MI. |
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Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:52 pm
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Thanks
Looking forward to the reports
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Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:19 pm
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Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:44 pm
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Heavy too. Both my 1894 B Grades are more like 7 pounds 6 oz. both also have 30” Damascus barrels. I think the $2100 is a bit rich but I hope he gets it. |
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Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:31 am
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Also looking forward to the reports. Very interested.
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Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:47 pm
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Heavy too. Both my 1894 B Grades are more like 7 pounds 6 oz. both also have 30” Damascus barrels. I think the $2100 is a bit rich but I hope he gets it.
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I thought that was a pretty reasonable price in the U.S. for a nice straight grip, late model, BE-Grade. My BE-Grade is a very early, 1895 vintage, Remington Hammerless Double, 12-gauge, with the much more common half-pistol grip and 30-inch Chain J Damascus barrels weighs in at seven pounds fifteen ounces.
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:34 pm
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couple years ago, I obtained some "Spot Chek ' penetrant dye and cleaned the exterior of the barrels and warmed is a 200 degree oven, [wife was shopping that day] and did a full length penetrant check and NEVER got as hint of the barrels having a problem.
Did not do the bores as I have no way dyeing them and getting the developer eveningly coated.
I was interested where the forearm covered the barrels as the "demascussing" appeared to be fading out, when the forearm was remove. |
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:54 am
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for cleaning and lubing.
The master gunsmith inquired if I was going to sell, but I declines as I'm going to make up some 2 - 5/8" shells for both Lead and Bismuth use.
Choke numbers are:
368 [choking %, 368/511 = .72% Full] [over Full, less than Extra Full}
284 [choking %, 284/511 = .55% I. Mod] Imp. Cyl 25March 2018 |
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:55 pm
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JRoth in WA -- Choke numbers or pattern percentages? I've never seen choke expressed as they were in your post. Could you explain it? Normally I want to measure my bore diameters behind the choked areas, and then the constrictions. Chokes as percentages don't mean much unless they are measured from pattern percentages. Is that what you're saying there? -- that the loads contained 511 pellets (7/8 ounce of 9's, maybe?, or 1 1/4 oz of 8's?), and the smaller numbers in your fractions are the resulting pellet counts in a 30" circle ant 40 yards?
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:28 pm
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the numbers indicate the shot inside a 30 inch circle @ 40 yds.,
the 551 is the total number shot in the shotshell, so divvied the stamped number by 551 is the percentage and the choke of the barrels.
Go to the website "ShotgunWorld .com" and open the Remington page and search for the SxS information.
If you has a Dixie Gun Works" catalog, there should be section of the Remington with the hammer styles used for the differing years, and the two hammerless SxS. |
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Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:33 am
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The stamped numbers on 12ga 1894s relate to the number of #8 shot from a 1 1/4 ounce shell in a 30" circle at 40 yards. There are 511 #8 pellets in a 1 1/4 ounce shell. The stamped numbers usually have two digits, numbers like 27 or 86 represent 327 or 386 respectively, the 3 being omitted. 16 gauge Remington 1894s also have pellet counts, but it is not known what shell was used. See Charles Semmer's book on Remington doubles for more on this.
I have an 1894 BE 12 gauge that weighs 6 pounds 12 ounces. The stamped pellet counts are 30 and 40, meaning 330 and 340 or 65% and 67%. My 16ga 1894 Remington is stamped 276 and 278, but I don't know what shell was used to pattern the gun at the factory.
Remington's Model 1894s were nice guns, but Remington discontinued them in 1910 in favor of repeaters. Collectors estimate that only about 10 to 15 percent of them were made in 16 gauge. |
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Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:37 am
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that indicate the last two hammer models and the 1894 and 1900 were made in 10Ga., 12Ga., & 16Ga. |
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Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:19 am
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jrothWA wrote: |
that indicate the last two hammer models and the 1894 and 1900 were made in 10Ga., 12Ga., & 16Ga.
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I think that's right, except there were no 10ga Model 1900s. 16 gauge Remington hammer doubles are pretty rare but I have seen a few for sale.
In researching his book, Mr. Semmer found one 20 gauge Model 1900. but they were never advertised - that must have been a prototype or a special order gun. |
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Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:41 am
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Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:34 am
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revdocdrew wrote: |
I've never seen a 16g Remington hang tag, but the recommended load was 1 oz. 2 1/2 Dr. Eq. (1165 fps).
1 oz. Tatham 8s would be (about) 399 pellets; 276/399 = 69%
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That barrel with the 276 pellet count has .018" of constriction. I might expect something less than 69% choke, but as we know, firing a pattern is the best way to determine amount of choke.
The other (left) barrel on that gun is marked 278 - that would be 70% based on Dr. Drew's theory. It has .027" of constriction, that would seem to check out.
Interesting discussion - I am fascinated by the old Remington doubles and their pellet counts. |
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