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< 16ga. General Discussion ~ 16 ga weight |
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Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:57 am
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Joined: 17 Oct 2019
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Location: New Jersey
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I just found some PolyWad Spredr’s in my stash. |
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Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:33 am
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Joined: 17 Jan 2014
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Location: Denver, Colorado
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"Six pounds in the uplands" is the classic line and it works. My brummy 16 BLE is 5lbs14 empty & I've been shooting RSTs in it for so long now, I wouldn't know what else to expect. Upland guns are not target guns and it's a mistake to use them as such. Recoil is accumulative and by the end of the 1st or 2nd round of clays you'll likely regret it. The gun might as well. |
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Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:36 am
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Joined: 08 Feb 2009
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Location: Western WA
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Weight and recoil depend on context. I have used 1 1/8 oz in a 6 lb gun for pheasant and never feel a thing when shooting at a bird flushed from the brush. But the same gun kicks like a mule in passing shots or targets. It’s the anticipation of the recoil that makes it uncomfortable. If you don’t have time to think about it, then you don’t feel it as much, if at all. In the latter case, the muzzle jump is all that is noticed - “why is my gun suddenly pointing up at the sky?”
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Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:09 am
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Joined: 17 Mar 2017
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Location: Endless Mountains of Pa
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Swampy16,
If the Polys are 2 1/2" 16 SpredRs I will purchase them from you, let me know at pine-creek@ live.com
all the best,
Pine Creek/Dave
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Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:24 am
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Joined: 19 May 2006
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Location: Too far south in New England
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Brewster11 wrote: |
Weight and recoil depend on context. I have used 1 1/8 oz in a 6 lb gun for pheasant and never feel a thing when shooting at a bird flushed from the brush. But the same gun kicks like a mule in passing shots or targets. It’s the anticipation of the recoil that makes it uncomfortable. If you don’t have time to think about it, then you don’t feel it as much, if at all. In the latter case, the muzzle jump is all that is noticed - “why is my gun suddenly pointing up at the sky?”
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^^^This!!!
I will even go so far to say that competition & shooting low gun helps recoil seem less. Case in point, I shot my 6.25 lb Sarasqueta in a 100 round Sporting Clays shoot last weekend. 1oz 1350 fps until the last 6 which were trap so I shot 1-1/8 oz , 1320 fps. I noticed the difference on the last but still dusted them all. Adrenaline is your friend in those situations.
However, on the patterning board or on the chrony you begin to wonder why you shoot heavy loads. |
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Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:41 am
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Joined: 08 May 2018
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Well I ordered the A Sanders 16ga sxs which is under 6 lbs. and have some RST shells coming which I ordered a couple of years ago. |
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Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:59 pm
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Joined: 17 Mar 2017
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Location: Endless Mountains of Pa
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AC,
You will like that Sanders double gun.
My 16 Bristol Silver arrived home today, weighs 6.9 lbs with out Snap Caps for more info see my Bristol Silver purchase post.
all the best,
Pine Creek/Dave
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Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:16 pm
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Joined: 08 Feb 2009
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Location: Western WA
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Very nice, you will enjoy it, especially in the field. Keep the buttstock bolt snug and regularly practice mounting the gun at home, and you should have no problems with the RST loads, they are absolutely first rate. Some snap caps for dry firing might help acquaint you with safety operation and trigger pull as part of your home practice. With sufficient correct repetition, everything will become instinctive, and you and the gun will work together successfully.
Good Luck,
B. |
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Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:10 pm
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Joined: 08 May 2018
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Will see how it does may not have enough cast but I get 5 days to inspect and if I don’t like it for any reason I can send it back. |
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Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:44 pm
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Joined: 17 Oct 2019
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Location: New Jersey
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Pine Creek/Dave wrote: |
AC,
You will like that Sanders double gun.
My 16 Bristol Silver arrived home today, weighs 6.9 lbs with out Snap Caps for more info see my Bristol Silver purchase post.
all the best,
Pine Creek/Dave
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That’s pretty heavy Dave. Not sure I’d be keeping that one. |
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Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:09 pm
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Joined: 17 Mar 2017
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Location: Endless Mountains of Pa
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Swampy16,
We will see how it works out for a few seasons then decide. I still need to keep a 16 gun in the Grouse gun collection that can shoot steel shot when needed. I do have the 20 & a couple 28's that are steel compatible.
all the best,
Pine Creek/Dave
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_________________ "L.C. Smith America's Best" - John Houchins
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Sat Sep 16, 2023 10:18 am
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Joined: 26 Jun 2005
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Location: North ID.
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My heaviest 16 ga is a 30" barreled, Remington Model 11 Sportsman at 7 lbs 6 oz. I don't use it often but occasionally will take it dove hunting and for shorter walks through pheasant cover. The other 16's weigh in between 5 lb 14 oz-6 lbs 6 oz., with the lightest being a French N Guyot on up to the heaviest being a Remington Model 1900. Anyone of those I feel comfortable packing around all day. |
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Sat Sep 16, 2023 11:22 am
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Joined: 17 Mar 2017
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Location: Endless Mountains of Pa
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Gentlemen,
Do not get me wrong, this is a nice entry level Turkish made double gun, however when compared to my L.C. Smith 16's or my J.P. Sauer 16 on the 20 gauge Frame, the handling is not any where near as nice. All those guns are way more expensive however.. Was shouldering the Bristol 16 over and over again last evening, then I shouldered the J.P. Sauer side lock 16 gauge gun just one time, the Bristol Silver is like a 2X4 compared to that German Engineering from the 1800's. The Turkish gun makers still have a long way to go for high quality double guns IMO, especially at field grade prices.
Course I knew this gun would not be like my high quality guns when i purchased it.
In fact I got pretty much what I expected. The 6.9 weight seems to be a little lighter than most of the Bristol Silver 16 gauge guns, so that was also better than I actually expected. If this gun weighed about 6.0lbs the gun would handle a lot nicer, for sure.
all the best,
Pine Creek/Dave
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Posted:
Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:28 pm
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Joined: 26 Apr 2010
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Location: NCWa
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upland gun: straight grip Parker VHE 5 lb 13 oz. |
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Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:31 am
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Joined: 17 Mar 2017
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Location: Endless Mountains of Pa
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AM,
Real nice old Parker Grouse gun for sure!
all the best,
Pine Creek/Dave
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_________________ "L.C. Smith America's Best" - John Houchins
Pine Creek Grouse Dog Trainers |
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