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R J Talley
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 11:41 am  Reply with quote



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I need a few non-toxic loads for use on game birds here in the PRK. I do not want steel as both guns are 1950s era German guns. Do you know of a source? 23/4" 1 oz loads preferred.

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Citori16
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 12:01 pm  Reply with quote
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https://bossshotshells.com/

Boss has good stuff, but it’s fast (1350 fps) if that bothers you.

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DUKFVR
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:05 pm  Reply with quote



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Citori16 wrote:
https://bossshotshells.com/

Boss has good stuff, but it’s fast (1350 fps) if that bothers you.


Their new 16 ga loads are 2 9/16 in . 1 1/8 at 1240 fps.
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Citori16
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 4:13 am  Reply with quote
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I guess I should’ve checked before I posted, they cleared out their 16 ga selection to just those.

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Savage16
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 8:00 am  Reply with quote
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Citori16 wrote:
I guess I should’ve checked before I posted, they cleared out their 16 ga selection to just those.


They dropped their 16 ga 1 oz?? Not good

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MSM2019
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2023 6:19 am  Reply with quote



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We have to understand, we as a group, don't shoot the 16 gauge as much as we think we do. I am not surprised to see Boss cut back on 16 gauge ammunition. Honestly, how many boxes of Bismuth ammunition do you go through? I know that if I use 10 - 15 shells of bismuth a year it's a big deal and they are all reloads. This year I have used, to date in the 16 gauge, 2 bismuth shells, I took two pheasants. I hunt 4 to 5 days a week, but I don't hunt on WPA's very often. I would bet that I am not in the minority. Most of my hunting is with the 16 gauge, using lead shot. Even then, maybe with the dove hunting I have used 4 - 5 boxes to date.

The same thing with the DR16. I might, might use 2 to 3 bags of DR16's a year. If you wonder why there are no DR16 wads it's because DownRange doesn't make money on them. I am not a big DownRange fan but, I have to understand their side also.

If we want this stuff, we as a group have to shoot more and I don't see that happening.

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Riflemeister
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:18 am  Reply with quote
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I purchased 16 ga Kent bismuth up in South Dakota at Cabela's on one of my hunting trips. Needed it to hunt the game production areas.

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DUKFVR
PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:42 pm  Reply with quote



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MSM2019 wrote:
We have to understand, we as a group, don't shoot the 16 gauge as much as we think we do. I am not surprised to see Boss cut back on 16 gauge ammunition. Honestly, how many boxes of Bismuth ammunition do you go through? I know that if I use 10 - 15 shells of bismuth a year it's a big deal and they are all reloads. This year I have used, to date in the 16 gauge, 2 bismuth shells, I took two pheasants. I hunt 4 to 5 days a week, but I don't hunt on WPA's very often. I would bet that I am not in the minority. Most of my hunting is with the 16 gauge, using lead shot. Even then, maybe with the dove hunting I have used 4 - 5 boxes to date.

The same thing with the DR16. I might, might use 2 to 3 bags of DR16's a year. If you wonder why there are no DR16 wads it's because DownRange doesn't make money on them. I am not a big DownRange fan but, I have to understand their side also.

If we want this stuff, we as a group have to shoot more and I don't see that happening.



I shoot 16 gauges almost exclusively & hunt ducks at least 4times a week ,so burn up a few shells of bismuth and TSS. Hunt doves alot too ,so quite a bit there. I do agree though ,as a whole it just isn't used enough in the general shooting circle to make alot of stuff profitable.
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fourtown
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:25 am  Reply with quote



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Has anyone here acquired any of the new Boss 2 9/16 loads?

I am anxious to hear a first hand report.
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fourtown
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:36 am  Reply with quote



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I did a quick internet search.

Boss Bismuth lists all 16 ga as out of stock.

Macks has no 16 ga non-toxic shot in stock.

Looking on Ammoseek

Hevi-Bismuth is available from several online suppliers

https://ammoseek.com/ammo/16-gauge?ikw=bismuth
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fourtown
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:53 am  Reply with quote



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Cabelas/BassPro online and their Woodbury and Owatonna MN Stores list some Kent Bismuth 5's.
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DUKFVR
PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:59 am  Reply with quote



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I just checked Boss. They show having 16 ga 4's & 6's in stock. I just bought a couple of boxes of 4's. Will report back after I use some of them.
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fourtown
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Glad you found them. I had clicked on Boss sizes 5 and 7 which are the sizes I usually buy, they were out of stock.
I admit I did a quick search, not a thorough search.
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3drahthaars
PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:57 am  Reply with quote



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I agree with Mark.

There is no where near the demand for 16ga to make it a true profitable business model for ammunition. Be happy with what you can scratch up online or in stores.

I'm still waiting to find my first DRs to reload and pattern.

That said, the 16ga is the reloader's gage like it or not.

Get a cheap used single stage MEC, convert it if you need to and just scrounge components and reload.
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MSM2019
PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:24 am  Reply with quote



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I agree. IMHO it's just a lot easier to reload for the 16 gauge than try to find ammunition for it. I have exactly the loads I want, when I want them.

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