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Citori16
PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2024 7:41 am  Reply with quote
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Glad to hear the problem is solved.

For single stage work, like hunting loads or complex wad type loads, a Sizemaster is the way to go. I wish I had bought that instead of my 600 jr all those years ago, but it didn't matter to me back then. It can obviously be used for bulk simple loading but it's way more time consuming compared to a progressive. The issue comes in with a repeater (semi or pump) where the action moves the shell out of the magazine into the chamber, as you have found out.

If the spacer trick is working for you may as well keep doing it. As far as I know, you can't add a crimp finishing station without some major alterations if that's even a possibility. You may be able to get a cheap 600 and swap out the crimp station for a crimp finisher...hmmm

In my humble opinion, for both the bulk and specialty loads I do, the perfect setup (using MEC loaders) would be a 9000 and a Sizemaster. I make do with a 9000 and a 600 jr. When I am resizing for specialty loads I run the hulls and prime them on the 9000, perform my drops & initial crimps on the 600, and IF necessary finish the crimps on the 9000. My 9000 is setup for practice loads, and you can halt the drops, so I typically have the bar adjusted to my powder and rarely touch it.

I have gotten by with a Supersizer, the 600 jr, and an altered 650 which does have the finish station, but that's now relegated to backup for the 9000 in case of a catastrophe like the apocalypse. I have not touched it since it was evicted from the bench. I have most of the parts necessary to convert a 3-1/2" 12 ga Steelmaster to 16 ga 2-3/4" Sizemaster, but just haven't convinced myself it should be done...I keep thinking I might need to make a special pterodactyl load to run through the 935. Shocked

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Charles Hammack
PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:34 pm  Reply with quote
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Lachmiller resizer .

Problem solved.

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Brewster11
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 10:16 am  Reply with quote



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I use the poor man’s crimp finisher with the 600 jr: Lower the lever 3 times when crimping, turning the shell a third of a turn (120 deg) each time. No more lopsided or flared crimps, just a nice factory smooth tapered crimp.

Adjustments to the crimp punch depth are sometimes needed with different loads.

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16gaDavis
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 11:58 am  Reply with quote



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B11 - the trouble I run into is that the crimp finisher adj is down all way , and won't round off the crimp . The depth doesn't help the round off , therefore the washer .

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Brewster11
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:07 pm  Reply with quote



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Understand. It’s a pity there’s not a greater range of adjustments on the 600 crimp station. The available adjustments are woefully inadequate.

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Citori16
PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 4:38 pm  Reply with quote
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Agree, so much so that I typically prefer to crimp newer hulls in the 600 but will run multi-fired hulls through the crimp stations on the 9000 if I feel the need.

Additionally, I took the resizer mechanism off of my 600 and just left the de-primer. I use the de-primer occasionally but mostly use the 9000.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2024 6:38 pm  Reply with quote



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Citori16, good idea to remove the resizer from the 600. I also remove the priming seat as well, makes for cleaner and more consistent crimps.

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Citori16
PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:10 am  Reply with quote
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Interesting, I never tried removing the primer seat. I’ll have to try it next time I use the 600, which will hopefully be soon as I need to make some match loads.

Another thing that helped me with the 600 is to make sure the turret (top plate) is exactly parallel with the base. Helps to keep the crimps symmetrical. After a large number of reloads things can wiggle out of place, especially from depriming.

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Byron Whitlock
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I have had a similar problem with my loads fitting in the chambers of some of my double guns. I replaced the sizing ring on my Mec 600 and it helps but still the fiber wads that I load are thick enough that the hull is swollen enough to make them hard to chamber. I have a solution using my old Lee Load All to run the loads thru the full length crimp die to make them perfect.
There might be other ways to fix it but I used what I had since I have more time available than money to buy more equipment .

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[quote="Byron Whitlock"]I have had a similar problem with my loads fitting in the chambers of some of my double guns. I replaced the sizing ring on my Mec 600 and it helps but still the fiber wads that I load are thick enough that the hull is swollen enough to make them hard to chamber. I have a solution using my old Lee Load All to run the loads thru the full length crimp die to make them perfect.
There might be other ways to fix it but I used what I had since I have more time available than money to buy more equipment .[/q

uote] many types of hulls made today are much more plyable. Even though today's hulls are thicker they don't have near the strength of the old 16 AA cf hulls had.
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