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bwm16ga
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:15 pm  Reply with quote
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Hi all,

I recently found a Springfield (J. Stevens. . .Chicopee, Mass.) SxS 16 ga. The shotgun is in fantastic mechanical condition, the blue finish and case hardening are above avergage but the wood leaves much to be desired. 6 lbs. +/- a few ounces. I am a student, so this will make a great field gun that won't break the bank. I am guessing the gun was made in the late '60s or early '70s due to styling and such.

Since the stock had been cut off for a replacement recoil pad and someone also tried an amatuer checkering, I'm doing my first major woodwork on a firearm. I've already rid the ol' girl of the pistol grip and turned her into a straight english stock--to get the LOP to 14' 1/4", I'm going to have to add a quite large kickpad. As far as forearm, it's currently a beavertail, so I need advice on how to go about turning it into a splinter type.

Also, I've removed the butchered checkering and most of the wood finish (and oiliness) with files, steel wool, Powder Blast, and elbow grease. How can I get a oil rubbed finish?

Also, any model info. or leads on the Springfield brand are greatly appreciated. I know this was a utility grade gun, but that's what I wanted out of this one. I will post pic's when I'm done, as I forgot to do that when I started the project.

Thanks,

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:34 am  Reply with quote
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Those aren't bad old guns. I know a guy who has for years water fowl hunted with a Springfield. I imagine he opened the chokes because he has shot a lot of steel with it.
I could be wrong, but I think the Springfields were made before the late fourties.
If it was made 1949 or after, it will have a date code on the outside very front of the bottom of the receiver. A number and letter will be in a very small oval. The letter is the key; A=1949, B=1950 etc.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:04 am  Reply with quote



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I have a Springfield SxS 20ga. My mother gave it to me for Christmas back when I was a little fella. I love that gun. The wood is UGLY. The only problem I have is sometimes the right barrel won't fire, but that is an easy fix with some replacement parts. I have put thousands of rounds down the barrels of that gun. It still has over 90% of the bluing and case hardening, bores are bright and it locks up just as tight the day I got it, mid 1970's. I just ordered new forearm wood for it as when I was about 14 I was in a bottom hunting wood ducks and tripped. I hit the forearm on a cypress knee which busted a chuck of wood out the side. It has taken me 30 years to order a new part.

Seriously, you might just want to order new wood from Numrich Guns. They wood is nice and you can get that rubbed finish you are looking for. Most of the wood on those Stevens from that time period ends up being too blond once you work on it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:16 am  Reply with quote
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I believe Patriot is correct that if it's stamped Springfield it was made before 1949; I think that's when they dropped that name designation from the line. If so, it should have a walnut stock and forend - my own Springfield 16 does. I'm curious if yours has 5100 or any other number stamped on the right side of the receiver?

He's also correct about the date code after 1949.

Should be a nice old gun; mine is. Enjoy it!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:42 am  Reply with quote
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My Dad's old Stevens double barrel, 16 ga. hammer gun has the following on it:

Springfield M. Stevens Arms Co.,Chicopee Falls, Mass. Pat Feb 10, 1914. Serial No. 63XXX is stamped on the forearm and stock.

Reseacher01 posted the following on the Shotgun World, Gun ID & Value Forum (http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=199910) in response to my question about when it might have been made.

"Generally Stevens changed from using the Riverside name for their lower priced line of guns to using the Springfield name about 1930. A Springfield Arms Co. hammer gun the No. 215 is still in the 1931 J. Stevens Arms Co. Wholesale Price Sheet, but is gone by the 1933. So, that pretty much narrows your gun down to 1930-32."

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:29 pm  Reply with quote



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Most Springfields, especially if marked J. Stevens Arms Co., were made from 1930 to WW-II. My Mother's 12-gauge double was one of these guns made during the 1930s, and marked "RANGER" for Sears, Roebuck & Co. These guns were built on the G.S. Lewis' Patent No. 1,136,247 granted April 20, 1915. These guns featured coil-spring driven strickers, rather then internal hammers on an axel. My Great Uncle Art Gustavson, a gunsmith in North Seattle restocked my Mother's gun with a straight-grip, a quality trigger guard, and a Jostam No Kick Coming recoil pad. Even at 13 I needed a lace on pad for more length-of-pull while Pheasant hunting in 1959 --


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:18 pm  Reply with quote
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Nice pic Researcher. Typical thing of rolled up blue jeans back then. Smile And I'll bet that's a '59 Chevy.

fin2feather, it's always baffled me why none of my books list a 5100. I have come to the conclusion that it is the same as a 530, walnut checkered stock with the bird dog, listed in my books. The 530M had the plastic stock. There is also a 530A with the single scallop receiver, but it doesn't say it has a plastic stock but the picture of it shows the single scallop receiver with the checkering pattern of the plastic stock. I believe the 530, 530M and 530A all had the bird dog on the left and 5100 on the right.

I have two 16 ga 5100s one with the straight edge receiver and walnut stock and one that I believe had the plastic with the scalloped receiver and was restocked. The 'fancy' wood and exquisite checkering and inletting had to cost three times what the gun is worth (I bought it like that). I found only only one very tiny overun in the checkering. The one with a straight receiver and date code 1949 says Stevens, Savage Arms, Chicopee Fall. The one that was restocked says Springfield J. Stevens Arms Co. Chicopee Falls.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410/displayimage.php?pid=5606&fullsize=1
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410/displayimage.php?pid=5605&fullsize=1
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410/displayimage.php?pid=5604&fullsize=1
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410/displayimage.php?pid=5603&fullsize=1


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Wow! The Springfield I have from the 70's looks like it has a 2x4 for a stock.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:12 pm  Reply with quote
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CB; I restocked a 311A 20 ga with a $50 pre-fab stock from www.gunstocksinc.com.
It was some work sanding it down and doing the final inletting but it was enjoyable and satisfying.
They have the pistol grip also.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/cpg1410/displayimage.php?pid=3994&fullsize=1

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First time I recall seeing the bird dog on the left and 530A on the right.
It's just like a 5100.


http://v2.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=152381940

Here's the exact gun with 5100 on the right side.

http://v2.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=152385758

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I have a 530A in .410. What a sweet little gun!

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Never had a .410 yet; get tempted sometimes. Does your 410 have the bird dog?

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Has the bird dog on it. I was given the gun when I was 12 by my great uncle. He bought it as a teenager for my great grandmother. What a pretty gun.

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Here's my .410; bird dog on the left side, 5100 on the right:


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:51 pm  Reply with quote
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not all 5100's have the dog on the left side. I have two that have the gun company name on the left side.
Something like:

Springfield-J. Stevens Arms Corp.
Chickopee Falls, Mass., etc, etc.

The obove is not exact, just from memory. The 20 and the 16 I have are like this. I believe the 410 my cousin has is the same
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