I'll try and answer any question about the Manufrance Ideal, the grades are from Number 0 to Number 9, with 9 being the highest grade for pre-1936(?) made guns. However some of the early Guns do not have any grade number on them. I have a circa 1905 lunette trigger gun that has nicer engraving than my circa 1926 gun marked as a No 6.
You will also sometimes see an R following the number - No6R - I believe that this means it is "Reinforced" for a higher or Nitro Proof load, and some will have an E for an ejector. I have never seen an ejector Gun in the flesh however.
Around 1936 or so the Ideal went to a 3 digit number such as No 314, the last digit of which relates to the grade number, in this case a grade 4. I am not certain what the first two digits mean. I have seen pictures of a later Ideal marked with No 326 and it was an Ejector gun, the middle digit of 2 may mean an ejector gun gun ? I am not certain.
The actions are as rounded as a Dickson I believe, and are much stronger and simpler than the standard A&D boxlock, IMO. It is a Striker type action with coil springs on the strikers of course.
They were first built in 1887, and the early ones were available with Damascus barrels. The Ideal was made in gauges from 10 to 32, and in rifle calibers also. I saw a .450 Express rifle for sale on a French Website awhile back at 13,000 Euros.
TheWinter 2006 Double Gun journal has a basic article on them.
Price points ? They are worth more in France than here it seems. But if you find once in any grade in good condition under 1200 dollars buy it, and if in a No 4 or higher grade double and triple that amount. There is probably a premium for any gauge other than 12.
These are very very well made guns, with modern dimentions.
I have an Ideal No. 3R and although I wish I shot it better (haven't practiced with it a lot), it's got a cool factor that keeps me from letting it go. Light yet robust, sleek, nice engraving, skip-line checkering. the ever-cool retractable sling. What's not to like?
And then try shooting it with 28 ga chamber mates. That's a blast!
Mine came with the original leg o'mutton case, too.
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum