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We can lead horses to water, but we can't make them drink. Same goes for horse's asses too. Very Happy

Joined: 26 Apr 2010 Posts: 3181 Location: NCWa

So why would that end of the horse want to drink? Looks like you can lead a horticulture.

I dunno about you, but some horse's asses can drive some of us to drink. Very Happy

huntNnut wrote:

I really try to be good George, but I just couldn't help myself!! Embarassed

Perhaps we can help you out. Which way did you come in?

Joined: 23 Aug 2009 Posts: 295 Location: Southern Ontario

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On the verg of a potential cataclismic even , and you guys cannot even be nice , what in the world is wrong with you all .

Oh well I shouldn't expect otherwise .

Best Regards, CNH2

Joined: 26 Apr 2010 Posts: 3181 Location: NCWa

Considering that it's already past Noon on the 21st in the Western Pacific, does anyone know what the time brackets for this event are? I'd hate to miss shooting some trap just because it was scheduled after dark Crying or Very sad

Member Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 1863 Location: Wisconsin

That's enough Gentlemen.

Life's too short for disagreements that get personal. We all have our opinions and we all have &$*holes; let's not confuse the two. Agree to disagree and please keep our personalities out of the equation. Let's take the high road and say a prayer for those on the flooded low roads and our farmer friends who are still waiting to plant.

May this be the end of this thread.

Reno

Joined: 13 Feb 2010 Posts: 280 Location: Utah

It really was, at least in my mind, an interesting question. Not sure why people feel the need to insult one another. And nobody really addressed the issue of what is a balanced load for each of the species we hunt.

If the target was hit, the game placed in hand.

IT WAS A GOOD LOAD!!!!!

I prefer for all this to happen, without suffering any after effects such as headach, bruised shoulder, detached retina, extra loss of unnecessary funds, Ect. Ect.

I simply have found in the 12 bore. That twenty four grams will do all that I could ever dream for and twenty one grams has done all that I have ever expected of it.

Why should I ever expect , More from my wonderful 16 bore? No twenty one grams or less has served me as well as Sweet Little Ole Peach could ever want.

Long live the 16 Gauge, long live the 16GA SOCIETY , LONG LIVE THE FOLKS THAT VISIT THIS FOURM. YOU ARE ALL THE BEST OF THE BEST.

Regards, Nick

Joined: 09 Jul 2009 Posts: 510 Location: Central CT

Wish I could say I was sorry for starting this but...........just my nature I guess. GG and I hate each other and when he gets to writing ego driven essays about nothing but his half baked opinions......well I just can't and usually won't resist throwing a hand grenade into the crowd.

Paddler,

There are balanced loads and everyone has a different idea what balanced means.

BUT.......square loads, balanced loads, recoil, pressure, single trigger, double trigger, and the KING of stupidity in threads is the dreaded "Best" pheasant load.

If you mention any of the above there is a 95% chance for a bit of turmoil.

This applies to any forum you visit.

Joined: 13 Feb 2010 Posts: 280 Location: Utah

The idea of a balanced load for a given quarry at a given range is interesting, but may even depend on the angle at which the bird is shot. I think the classic driven pheasant load in Britain has been 1 1/16oz of 6s, which are actually American 7s. But that's for incoming birds, with the head, neck and breast exposed. People here who have lots more experience with walk up hunting say the ideal pellet size for pheasant is 5s, and I have no reason to doubt them.

Choosing the very best pellet size for a given situation is always a compromise between high pattern density (pellet count), as demanded by dove, quail, etc, and higher pellet energy (actually momentum, which gives a better approximation of penetration) required for larger birds and longer ranges. That's what I was asking about.

The idea of a square load is written about often, but is difficult to come by. It doesn't exist in the sub gauges for the most part, and in 12 gauge is perhaps not seen until you drop down to 7/8oz. The influence of the shot cup can only make this worse.

The entire concept of shotgun patterns depends on so many interrelated factors, and that makes it fun. I understand that some sporting clays shooters change choke tubes for individual shots, and by as little as .005" constriction. Yet, in the choke trials of the late 1800's, choke was a disadvantage compared to cylinder bore out to a 30 yard rise. So, how far have we come with long forcing cones, extended choke tubes, overbored barrels, plastic wads, modern powders, etc?

Hate is a strong word, I find many folks on various boards amusing. It is funny how many people completely ignore the most obvious truths, at least as I see them. Laughing

Have you visited the 24 hour campfire?

Joined: 09 Jul 2009 Posts: 510 Location: Central CT

No, I haven't paddler. Sounds like a place for me to stay away from. Not much for BS artists.

Hate is a strong word, but the honest truth in this situation.

Trust me, after you have been involved or read about 20 of these balanced load/square load debates, you won't find them very amusing.

The latest trend in Sporting Clays, is one maybe 2 choke constrictions at most and 1 oz. of #7.5's.

There was a poll or 2 over on Shotgun World about favorite loads and chokes. It was interesting. There were some Master Class shooter's that responded to the poll's also.

[quote="huntNnut"]Wish I could say I was sorry for starting this but...........just my nature I guess. GG and I hate each other..."

Folks generally hate only those things they fear. I don't hate anyone here. There are a couple I simply feel revulsion and maybe some pity for, but not hate.

As far as the world ending today? What human can speak for a deity or actually predict the future with such finality and pinpoint accuracy. Only those poor misguided fools with overblown feelings of self importance and unfounded beliefs based on misinterpretations of archaic, misperceived events, statements made by others and repeated through hearsay, or just plain old superstitious ignorance would even try.

Perhaps the world will end some day, but I'm fairly certain it will not be by the will of some supernatural being which does not exist. It will probably come from a huge rock from space at a time when human beings as we know them are long extinct. It could also happen in the next moment. We do not know.

Why worry about it. Take care of this moment and your friends and loved ones. Leave fate to itself. Simple.

Joined: 26 Apr 2010 Posts: 3181 Location: NCWa

16GG- didn't you get the message from 16Ga?