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63rdOVI
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:27 am  Reply with quote
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I just purchased a slightly-used Remington Sportsman '48 in 16 gauge from Gunbroker. It was made in January 1954 and is in probably about 92% condition, with a 28" full choke barrel.

When I was cleaning it I noticed that the compensated recoil spring is a little difficult to remove and replace from/on the magazine tube, although the spring works perfectly once it is on the tube. My first thought is that this is due to the round compensator on the end of the spring.

Does this sound correct? It doesn't look like it needs replacing and I don't want to do so unless it's necessary.


Also, I just wanted to say that this shotgun is amazingly light and handy and looks like it might be just the ticket for some quail hunts...with SpredR shotshells, of course.

Thanks for your replies, as always!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:15 am  Reply with quote
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YEEE HAWWW

Congratulations

Well done

Now, shoot the heck out of it!!!!!

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The Pink Panther/Dragon is a sportsman . I got it specifically for phez / grouse at the rez . Perfect ! Got to shoot a few doves with it too .The spring can come off a little diff .Just twist it towards the loose direction . It usually doesn't need to come off as it is kinda self cleaning - just a wipe and a little oil !

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:14 am  Reply with quote
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[quote="deer hunter"]The spring can come off a little diff .Just twist it towards the loose direction . It usually doesn't need to come off as it is kinda self cleaning - just a wipe and a little oil ![/quote]

Yep, what DH said... re, self cleaning; just take the forearm off and shake the field shmutz that accumulates in there out once in awhile, good to go.

Ah yes, another 48 convert has seen the light Very Happy I think they're fantastic knock about field guns, enjoy!

~70-80* up here this week, no ducks moving....take care, Mike

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:07 am  Reply with quote
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Putz463:

I have a feeling that you're right about them being fantastic knock-about field guns: they seem to carry very easily and point very well. Very surprised about the lightness, especially since they superficially resemble the Remington 1100, and that is NOT a light gun, if I remember correctly!

Deerhunter: I did exactly as you said and twisted the spring on and off instead of trying to pull it straight off, and it worked perfectly. Thanks!

Mike: I'm gonna try to shoot it at as many things as I can... Very Happy

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We had a customer bring a Sportsman 48 into the gunshop that I work at to get restored. It was his father's gun but his cousin tried to "Restore" it. The guy took it apart and painted it with an epoxy paint on the outside and the inside. First with a primer and then with black paint. I got the paint off with a nasty stripper (took all day) and then had to polish some major pitting out of the barrel and frame. I blued it wednesday and did the stock last weekend. I think it looks better than when it came in. this is one 16ga. that hopefully will see a lot more work in the field.

Regards, Gordon

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First, lets get something straight. The 1100 resembles the 11-48, not the other way around. The 11-48 came first, then the model 58, then the lowly 1100.

As far as cleaning. The magazine tube is not self cleaning. Some ovens are but not the magazine tube. The friction ring serves the same purpose on the 11-48's as does the rings on those outdated model 11's and those A-5's.
Keep that magazine tube nice and shiney and keep that friction ring clean on the inside and you'll be able to use some of those 7/8oz loads everybody is trying for. You can be surprised by the junk that will get on the surface of the magazine tube.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:19 pm  Reply with quote
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spr310:

I'm aware of the chronological history and order of Remington's autoloading shotguns. By stating that the Sportsman '48 superficially resembles the 1100 I did not mean to imply that the 1100 came first; I obviously erred in my choice of words...perhaps I could have said that there is a superficial resemblance between the two.

Anyway, yes, I try to keep the magazine tube clean, LIGHTLY oiled but pretty dry. But I must admit I'm pretty happy with basic 1 oz. loads in my Sweet Sixteens and my Remington Model 11 Sportsman, so I feel I'll probably stick with those for this 16 gauge, too.

One thing about my Sportsman '48, though: there are no friction rings on my gun. There is a "compensator" attached to the recoil spring that works for both light and heavy loads. The position cannot be changed since it's attached to the spring. Was the 11-'48 itself served by the more typical friction ring/spring and collar like the earlier Model 11 and the Browning Sweet Sixteen?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:54 am  Reply with quote
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Hmm? 63, does the barrel lug have a bronze/brass split collar loosely pressed into it? Hopefully the lug and mag tube aren't steel on steel. I'm reasonably sure this collar is what is being refereed to as the friction ring. See link,

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Products.aspx?catid=5645

Good stuff, enjoy that gun, Mike

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When the 11-48 first came out it had the same setup as the model 11. The ring could be set for light or heavy loads. that was only around about one year(1949). Then they changed the spring setup. The friction ring is situated in the barrel lug. As the barrel moves to the rear, this split ring is forced to tighten on the magazine helping to control the movement along with the spring. When you look at the whole design of the recoil action in the 11-48, it is simple, but very efficient.
It's kind of ironic, they had the recoil action that worked well, but had to leave them for the gas driven actions and now they are going back to recoil actions in shotguns.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:11 am  Reply with quote
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putz463 wrote:
Hmm? 63, does the barrel lug have a bronze/brass split collar loosely pressed into it? Hopefully the lug and mag tube aren't steel on steel. I'm reasonably sure this collar is what is being refereed to as the friction ring. See link,

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Products.aspx?catid=5645

Good stuff, enjoy that gun, Mike


Mike and spr310:

Yes, the friction ring is in the barrel lug. If it had been a snake it would have bitten me. I'm so used to seeing the rings on the magazine that I did not think to notice that it is attached in the barrel lug itself.

spr310, I am not surprised about the return to recoil-operated actions. They worked so well for so long that, in my opinion, there was never any reason to kill them off like they did. Improve them, yes, but not get rid of the system entirely.

Thanks for your help, guys.

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Good deal, glad to help. OK, I'll do my pat about once a year cry into the wild...

HEY FRANCHI/BERETTA/BENELLI; HELLO ANYONE HOME? HOW ABOUT AN AL48 IN 16GA? CHOP CHOP NOT GETTING ANY YOUNGER OVER HERE!!!! HAVE PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT BACK GROUND, WILL WORK FOR GUNS, CALL ME.... Very Happy

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Sorry had to share some gun porn, hows this for a plain Jane knock-about field S48...WOW

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=256804073

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:41 am  Reply with quote
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OH!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
And a 16 gauge
Who ever first ordered this gun must have been a Gentleman!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:52 am  Reply with quote
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IMHO, the 11-48/Sportsman 48 represents a good deal on the market. I have found them in our area anywhere from field worn for $175 to $375 for really nice specimens (excepting the 28 gauge), so there is a price range for anybody's budget. For that, you get a nice handling repeater. If they have a downside, its that they represent the American shotgun concept of the Post-War/1950's era. Almost all I find are 12 gauge and 95% of those are 28" or 30" full choke guns. Enjoy your 16.

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