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if everyone would shoot the "one true way", i.e. load the gun FROM THE FRONT with REAL GUNPOWDER as it was intended to be you could use cardboard wads and not have to worry about the evil "big oil" companies running up the cost of those new fangled plastic things...

rayb

Member Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 425 Location: Big D

There are a whole slew of ways energy can be harvested from fossil fuels to nuclear energy. There is wind farming, hydro electric, solar enery, geothermal, agri/eco-ethanol, agri/eco-methane, Hydrogen, and others. we can't afford to put all our eggs in one basket. Each region of this nation must look at its own possibilities and focus on wise use. Solve as much of the problem locally instead of nationally or globally.

Before this can happen, we need to get the giant vampire off our collective necks. the globally influencial military industrial empire must be brought to heel. We need to finish our business in the middle east and get back to the business of minding our own.

Its actually rediculously simple. We declare victory and march our asses the hell home. Then, if another bunch of psychotic screaming exteremists tries to refocus our attention on them, make it so suddenly and horribly painful for the host state that they'll be glad to rid themselves of these vermin. Why fight an extended war with a bunch of creeps in some god forsaken part of the globe where the host government or host ideology hides behind the "soveriegn state facade" or their sick idea of religious expression. We have let these creeps be protected by the the Disunited Nations for far too long. The rest of the world loves it when Uncle Sam gets suckered into another filthy little brawl by his own special interest groups that have taken power within our government.

The answer: just level the playing field with high explosives, leave the mess sitting there, and go back about our own business of living. Let the host state clean up the mess it ends up with and screw world opinion. One or two of these incidents and the horse manure will stop dead.

We can stand on our own two feet in every way important, We always have. We have the tools, the means, and the technology right within our own borders. We can raise our own food, we can produce our own energy, make our own necessities, and kick the crap out of anyone who wants to screw with us. Why bother with world opinion. This is not isolationism, it's simple self reliance. We can still trade with our friends--if they prove to be such. We traditionaly have always been the best there is at it. Lets get back to using our own strengths and quit trying to appease the rest of humanity. Now that would be a positive role model.

Unfortunately, that is not the "profitable (big business) way." So the tax paying pay and the vampire sucks the funds up making subsidized war and more money on war profits and overpriced petroleum based energy. we the public shoulder our yokes and pull the wagon. Like I said, we all work for pharoah.

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which explains the record profits in the last three quarters

And your point? Is profit evil? Congress (I share your low esteem for them) makes the mess (what was the name of that nasty little additive they required, and are now rescinding?) and then blames big "something". Econ 101: no new refineries in 30 years, supply disruptions in Nigeria, Iraq, and the possibility of more (Iran, your fellow traveler Chavez) coupled with steadily increasing demand (the competition for crude from China and India) are the primary reasons for the numbers. Lends instability, volatility, and speculation to the market.

If I remember the numbers correctly, "Big Oil" makes about 11 cents a gallon. "Big Brother" takes (sorry- makes) over 30 cents.

Perhaps you would prefer a more centralized command and control of the economy. I don't know if you are old enough to remember green flags and long lines back in the 70's. Government intervention to control prices, and instant "shortages." Many of Nixon's domestic endeavors, like W's, were a disaster. Let the market work, get government out of the way, and give me a break from the Pravda party line about business and evil corporations being the problem.

Answer: There is nothing wrong with profiting in a fair market, equity for equitry. The so called free world market is anything but. Its just a global example of what happens when too few control too much through manipulation and unfair tactics.

Look no further than our own history to see the same thing happening in ouir own country at the end of the 19th century. It was the uncontrolled wealth and power of people like Morgan and Carnegie who profitted from the culmination of the industrial age. They profited by keeping most for themselves and treading on the backs of their work force. Their inequity helped give rise to communism and rabid socialism.

Its not communism to want one's labors to enable his or her childern to have a good life, not just help a fat cat get fatter. The so called free market is not free, its plainly inequitable and being manipulated. Our government representatives are grasping at the crumbs the globaly powerful throw to them at the cost of a deteriorating standard of living in this country. Its much worse in other regions of the globe.

We are or can be a self sufficient country, not just sufficient, but abundently so. We need to stop playing world cop and get back to business here in this country. If the benighted thugs of a failed and backward religion want to hurt us, then quickly and efficiently pound the crap out of them until they realize its just too danmed painful and costly to screw with us. Then we simply get back to minding our own business here in our nation helping ourselves grow stronger still by taking care of our own business of living and raising our kids well first.

Lets do it in a way that does not enslave them to a mounting debt that will surely make their lives worse. Lets stop sacrificing them to a useless and pointless war for the inequitable beterment of those who have found a way to profit by it.

Joined: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Round Rock, TX

So, anybody hear about the wad status Razz

Member Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 425 Location: Big D

Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 787 Location: Indiana

Please don't kid yourselves...the next farm bill will be written by the environmentalists, as has every farm bill since 1985. There are very powerful special interest conservation and environmental groups influencing the USDA; and I don't really believe we'll need to worry too much about CRP. Why? Because the geneticists and agronomists are very good about producing corn hybrids which are drought and stress tolerant, and the American farmer is very good about maximizing production. The USDA can continue, in other words, to more or less mandate some level of CRP and still produce enough grain to do what the country needs to.

Even now, prices are relatively low because we are producing a whole lot of a crop that the world already has a surplus of....I read an article today in our local paper, indicating that the auto industry's big push, on a short term basis at least, will be for E-10, not E-85, because most present cars can use it without the modifications to the exhaust and other systems that E-85 requires.....bottom line: I love conservation, and I love pheasants but I also love farmers and I wouldn't put one out of business to shoot a couple of extra birds here or there. A great many love the wildlife as much or more than we all do---and that's saying a lot. It's a very complex issue, these farm programs are complicated but they aren't the giveaway that many people think. Please be assured we can't do this subject justice on this forum....

Member Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 743

Coming from corn country, I continue to be amazed at the rest of the nation's awakening to the "new" ethanol technology. We've been burning E-10 (10% ethanol blend) out this way for decades now, and you can use it in any vehicle that runs on unleaded gasoline. In fact, it outsells regular unleaded in Iowa by a significant margin for two reasons: 1. It's higher octane. 2. It's cheaper at the pump by a few cents (thanks to a subsidy program).

Right now, E-85 is running about 30-40 cents per gallon cheaper than either E-10 or regular unleaded. But the catch is that you cannot run E-85 (85% ethanol blend) in your vehicle unless it has a "flex fuel" engine. I had a 2000 Ford Ranger pickup with a 3L V-6 which was flex fuel capable, but back then, even here in ethanol country, E-85 pumps were almost nonexistent. Now there are quite a few of them, but my current 02 Ranger, with a 4L V-6, is not flex fuel capable! GM is promoting the heck out of the fact that they offer a wide range of vehicles with flex fuel engines, and I expect the rest of Detroit (and Japan, and Europe) will catch up shortly.

Current conventional wisdom is that substituting E-85 for either E-10 or regular unleaded (and there is essentially no difference in fuel efficiency between those two) will result in about a 10% decrease in mpg. However, the lower price pretty much makes that a wash, and as I said earlier, I would much rather give my money to Iowa farmers than to big oil. And I'd much rather produce the fuel we use in this country.

My apologies to this forum for "going off." I'm hyper-sensitive to this issue. I lived through the horror of the Vietnam era and saw many of my friends both in and out of the service ripped and shattered, as well as my nation. I see the same sick course coming at us again and I'm dreading what is about to happen.

Our leaders in this matter are making the same stupid mistakes. They should look back and heed the previous lesson. They were there with me and should know better. Under the circumstances, I can only assume its not through error but with intention they have dragged us into this morass for their own sick purposes with lies and no clear plans on getting it done.

As a nation, we do not need to do this again and should demand it be put to an end immediately. After all, we are the nation, and not just pawns and chattle for the use of a misguided or self serving adminstration. They are supposed to be representing us. Over 2/3 of the people want out of this nightmare. What will it take to make the point--a bayonet?

Member Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 743

Guy, I don't want to go too far off track here either, but I don't believe I've ever seen a poll with 2/3 of those responding in favor of an immediate pullout from Iraq. I have seen polls in which 2/3 say they don't like the job Bush is doing, but he always scores higher in his war on terror policy than on his overall job approval.

And by "out of this nightmare", I assume you mean out of Iraq. We're also suffering losses in Afghanistan, but in view of the fact that was the source of the 9/11 attacks, and in view of the fact that we made the mistake of leaving that place once before, to the tender mercies of the Taliban (after the Russians were driven out), I don't think that's a mistake we want to repeat--unless we're looking to give terrorists a safe haven once again.

here I agree Larry. The Afgani people want our support and friendship. They are also doing everything they can to help themeselves. This exactly the opposite in Iraq. Those folks can't agree on the color of crap and just want to massachre each other. I say get out of the way and just let them settle it. The morass in Iraq is sucking the life out of our support for Afganistan. We need to focus on where we can do the most good.

As far as the polls on Bush, most folks do not support his administration and its underghanded, deceitful tactics. We Americans instinctively know a shyster when we see one. The friends of this administration are raking it in. We Americans just are not that stupid not to see this.

Nobody is going to vote against the war on terror. However, most feel the same as I do. We are wasting time and resourses the way it is being waged. I'll bet my favorite Citori that if an honest poll were carefully worded to seperate the issue of Iraq from the war on terror, most folks would want out of Iraq and want to take the gloves off with the terrorist creeps.

I also would bet that the tactic of hitting these Islamic terrorist creeps hard, fast, and fully regardless of where they are hiding would also have domestic support. That also means Pakistan, Iran, Syria, or Suadi Arabia. Let there be no safe haven for them. Screw the hosts.

I really doubt the Pakistani people would let these jerks hide there if they knew we were willing and able to level the area around those hiding places. there are no innocent civilians when they feed and support these creeps.

Pakistani leadership is a two faced lying coniving nest of snakes. Why we treat them like friends is beyond me. India has always been much more on our side. Let Pakistan face the possiblility of squaring off against two nuclear powers and see what happens. At some point, self preservation will kick in and the happy horse manure will stop. So will the horse pucky in Afganistan. These creeps can hide in caves all they want. If the area around their lairs is laid to waste, they will have to come out to forage sooner or later. They can't eat rocks and drink dust.

China is all business now. The money is rolling in. Chinese pragmatism will win out here. She will make a bunch of noise and go back to making money. Russia? forget her. She's so helpless now, she can't even wipe her own butt. The rest of the disunited Nations--screw them.

If we took the gloves off with these creeps, the rest of the world would stand on the sidelines and watch. Our true friends would cheer our victory and our enemies would protest, gulp and shake. France would talk out their butts and go have another bottle of the crap they call wine. We have that kind of power. I have no doubt it would end quick like a match between a 500 pound gorilla and a loud screaming chimp--a lot of noise and the sound of the chimp's neck cracking. then everyone would go back to the business of living.

In a great country like ours how do we end up with the leaders we have ? clinton,kennedy,kerry,gore,boxter,reid and bush if you wish. How can we as a people replace them with some bipartisan people with commonsense,virtue and morals. Folks who would look out for the future of our children not buy into unism,politically correct gay and entitlement craving policys that are dividing our country and us. All this brain power lets solve the problems.

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Well the first thing you need is MONEY......Lots and LOTS of MONEY. And you might ask where does the money come from......well the fat cat special interest groups.

Fact of modern day political life.

Case in point Tom Osborn the former head coach at Nebraska with three National Championship teams on his resume tried to run for Governor of the state. Lost to a political hack and is now selling his home to pay off the debt he incurred running for office.

My question is still how. How could the people of Nebraska not vote for him I find that hard to swallow. Maybe I'm wrong and it is the people of this country who are truely wacked and we are represented correctly.