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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ Powder for 16 ga/12ga target loads |
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Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:09 pm
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Joined: 06 Mar 2013
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Location: Virginia's Northern Neck
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I have been shooting more and more trap and sc lately, so I am thinking about reloading for my 12 ga target guns. I currently load for my 28 ga and have been using 20/28 powder when I can find it. It has worked well. I also reload for my 16 ga and have been using PB for 3/4 and 7/8 oz loads (I think I have about 3 lbs left). I know there are published loads for 16 ga using 20/28 powder, but I haven't tried any yet.
Is my understanding right that PB has been discontinued? If so, here is my question, what is a good powder for loading light/target loads in 16 ga and 12 ga? I am thinking about 7/8 oz for the 16 and perhaps 1 or 1 1/8 oz for the 12? Thanks. |
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Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:23 pm
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Last edited by mike campbell on Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:02 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:21 pm
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Location: canandaigua - western n.y. (formerly deerhunter)
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what Mike said is the best ... if you HAVE to , Red Dot , Unique , Int Clays , Clays ,700x ,your PB ,Clay Dot ,, any of the fast to med speed powders can work . i used RD in my 28 with 9/16 shot all summer for skeet . The boys can chime in . Generally , any 12 ga target powder can slide down to 16 if you are careful . |
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Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:37 pm
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Location: Virginia's Northern Neck
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I would like to continue to use PB, but if it has been discontinued, then I need to search for another. I know buying powder now is hit or miss. You can certainly find odd lots on line from time to time, but then the Hazmat fees add to the price. I may give Green Dot a try. |
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Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:59 pm
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Location: Central CT
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American Select is another powder that will do the job in both 12 & 16. |
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Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:04 pm
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Location: canandaigua - western n.y. (formerly deerhunter)
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Whoops , forgot about that one DC ... Alliant powder has been showing up here of late about once a mo , need tyo ask about that one . Very similar to GD ! I don't know what's with Hodgdon , but there has been nothing here ! |
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Tue Dec 02, 2014 7:38 pm
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Location: Tennessee
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16gaDavis wrote: |
what Mike said is the best ... if you HAVE to , Red Dot , Unique , Int Clays , Clays ,700x ,your PB ,Clay Dot ,, any of the fast to med speed powders can work . i used RD in my 28 with 9/16 shot all summer for skeet . The boys can chime in . Generally , any 12 ga target powder can slide down to 16 if you are careful .
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I've heard this and tend to believe it, but does anyone have any published or tested data for Red Dot/Promo or Extra-Lite in the 16ga, especially for 3/4oz loads? I have a couple 8lb jugs of each of these but only one left of Green Dot. |
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:51 am
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I think you need a heavier load for RD in a 16 or it will shoot pretty dirty. I thought PB was cleaner then GD in the same loading of 11/16- 7/8. It really is 'whatever you can find' though. I had some 410 powder and made an off hand comment at work and a guy bought it from me on the spot! Works for handgun too. |
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Wed Dec 03, 2014 8:30 pm
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I'm not concerned with 'dirty', the next shot pushes the dirt out. I would just like to see a safe load published, once I have a benchmark I can extrapolate and send the results off to be tested. If someone else has already done this, so much the better, it will save me time and money. |
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Thu Dec 04, 2014 8:01 am
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Joined: 24 Jun 2013
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Location: canandaigua - western n.y. (formerly deerhunter)
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The only problem with a lot of our data is that they were done with old components . RP Rems , AA wads etc . Now if you can get into old hunters data , you'll see some loads in almost all cases . 1 oz or 11/8 generally . You should have no trouble taking , say , a 1oz loads with an rp and dropping it down to 7/8 with an SP and filler ... I had to experiment with RD this summer because of all the med powder supply drying up . What I ended up with is 13.5 RD , dr , rgl , and 3/4 or 23 grams (just a little lite of 7/8 ) . Works wonderfully and I feel on the light side of loads . Shot a ton . Also shot 12grns RD in the 20ga HS with 5/8 and 10 grns RD in a 28 with 9/16 using BP's sporting wads . Shot a ton . For 16 , I'd take 14grns in an RGL , and a light 7/8 , and 15 grns in a fed/ Chedd with the same payload and send them to Tom . You may have to use BP wads which are mainly Gualandi or dr's. Sometimes on really GOOD sales ! But , they are made for a diff croud than what we are used to , and I've really come to like them ! We can make loads for just about ANYTHING 16 nowadays !( still working on that 1 3/ |
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Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:21 am
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Location: SW Ohio
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Roadkill wrote: |
16gaDavis wrote: |
what Mike said is the best ... if you HAVE to , Red Dot , Unique , Int Clays , Clays ,700x ,your PB ,Clay Dot ,, any of the fast to med speed powders can work . i used RD in my 28 with 9/16 shot all summer for skeet . The boys can chime in . Generally , any 12 ga target powder can slide down to 16 if you are careful .
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I've heard this and tend to believe it, but does anyone have any published or tested data for Red Dot/Promo or Extra-Lite in the 16ga, especially for 3/4oz loads? I have a couple 8lb jugs of each of these but only one left of Green Dot.
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I had a few loads tested for Extra lite. I will pull them out and show you what I had Tom test |
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Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:18 am
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Here is the info for the Extra-lite loads I had tested
Cheddite hull
Win 209 primer
13.7 gr Extra-lite-hand measured
DR-16
3/4oz of 7.5 shot-hand weighed.
6 fold crimp
Vel pressure
1272 10600
1284 10500
1287 10700
1279 10400
1278 10420
ave 1278 10420
ev 16 800
I ended up staying with Intl clays for my 3/4 oz loads as I had some (still do), but no longer load the 16 ga for clay targets. Most of my clay shooting is done with my 12 auto.
All my 16g a guns are too light for a lot of clay shooting. So I use them occasionally to make sure the light weight does not make me swing too aggressively.
My first load I had tested was 14.5 gr of powder and the pressures were 10800-12000, so a bit over pressure. That will tell you there is a small amount of wiggle room for powder drops. |
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Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:27 am
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Dogchaser37 wrote: |
American Select is another powder that will do the job in both 12 & 16.
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+1 , American Select is my go-to 12 and 16 ga target load propellant . Clean burning and low(ish) published pressures . Now if it'll just come back to market in some kind of quantity ............. |
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Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:50 am
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rdja wrote: |
Here is the info for the Extra-lite loads I had tested
Cheddite hull
Win 209 primer
13.7 gr Extra-lite-hand measured
DR-16
3/4oz of 7.5 shot-hand weighed.
6 fold crimp
Vel pressure
1272 10600
1284 10500
1287 10700
1279 10400
1278 10420
ave 1278 10420
ev 16 800
I ended up staying with Intl clays for my 3/4 oz loads as I had some (still do), but no longer load the 16 ga for clay targets. Most of my clay shooting is done with my 12 auto.
All my 16g a guns are too light for a lot of clay shooting. So I use them occasionally to make sure the light weight does not make me swing too aggressively.
My first load I had tested was 14.5 gr of powder and the pressures were 10800-12000, so a bit over pressure. That will tell you there is a small amount of wiggle room for powder drops.
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rdja , Thanks for sharing That with us |
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Posted:
Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:55 pm
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Joined: 15 Jun 2010
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Location: Twin Cities, MN
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rdja - how dirty is that extralite load? I found 4 pounds of it but haven't loaded it in 12 gauge due to the horror stories.
Thanks,
Jeff |
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