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Member Joined: 31 Dec 2009 Posts: 61 Location: Salina, KS

The hulls your buying are not CF.

Joined: 28 Sep 2014 Posts: 241 Location: Kingsland, Texas

What are they?

Member Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 1257 Location: Nebraska

I think all of my CF shells were originally 1 1/8oz, but I haven't dug them all out yet. The Upland/Xpert and Super-X from the '80s are all the heavier shot loads but I think some of the later ones came loaded with 1oz.

Joined: 26 Apr 2010 Posts: 3177 Location: NCWa

The CF hulls were made in 1 oz loads with #8 shot as dove & Quail loads and with #6 shot as Rabbit and Squirrel loads; but they were also produced in Poly hulls with the same loading; the outer appearance being the box and the smooth/ribbed sides, although some transitional hulls (from CF to Poly) were smooth. So you don't know for sure in some cases until you shoot one and take a look at the empty hull.

Joined: 28 Sep 2014 Posts: 241 Location: Kingsland, Texas

I thought that might be the case. I have not found much information
helping identify these type hulls based on outer appearance. Here is a hull
from the white box posted earlier. I have been told the inside
base should be red & one piece construction. I have read the
base should be brass & crimped with 8 point fold. These have
a steel base & the interior color appears darker. Getting a positive
identification of these hulls has proved difficult even with all the
pictures
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Member Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Posts: 2168 Location: Florida

The hull pictured is a CF hull , I do have some smooth hulls that are poly type ( plastic separate base wad . also some of my Cf hulls hull steel rim bases.

Joined: 28 Sep 2014 Posts: 241 Location: Kingsland, Texas

I guess somewhat like the new AA-HS hulls. They have a seprated base
wad and the 410 I cut open had a brass rim base.

Member Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 1257 Location: Nebraska

I've been following this thread for a while, and here's what I can say on the matter. The 1 oz. Dove and Quail CF Winchester's had fiber wads and a shot wrap around the shot--not a WAA-16 wad! Or at least all the several flats I bought over the years did so. I've still got several unfired boxes of these, and can verify. I'm not sure what the Rabbit and Squirrel configeration contained, but I suspect it was the same. Strictly memory here, but I recall the old CF Uplands also had fiber wads and a shot wrap.

Recently, I purchased a flat of Upland Heavy Field Loads (3.25, 1.125, 6s) on the outside chance that they might be CF hulls. The seller advertised them as "slick sided" and "8 star crimp." The white boxes were identical to those shown earlier on this thread, and not the newer gray boxes. When they arrived I quickly discovered that they were poly formed cases, brass-washed steel, etc. They do have a real pretty 8 star crimp and very small ribs on the plastic case. I cut one open, and guess what, fiber wads and a shot wrap--not a WAA-16 wad to be found. Even though I gambled and lost on the CF hulls, I think these will reload fairly well, particularly from the crimping standpoint. So, I'm glad I got them.

Joined: 28 Sep 2014 Posts: 241 Location: Kingsland, Texas

4setters your memory serves you well. I just received the 3 cases of shells. I can see how they could be considered smooth side, but have a very light rib effect. I cut one open & just as you stated fibber wad & shot wrapped in plastic. The head of the hull is not brass colored but almost looks like aluminum colored but has a steel base. I guess the question now is this the Winchester polyformed plastic with plastic basewad pictured in Lyman 5th edition or something else. A little disappointed they aren't the CF hulls I was hoping for but they do look to be better than Ceddite or Fiocchi. I will not complain @ $47.50 a case. I will let you know how they load back once I determine which load data to use, thanks.
Rick

Joined: 28 Sep 2014 Posts: 241 Location: Kingsland, Texas

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That looks like a CF hull. I never saw a polyformed hull with a red basewad. Maybe they did though. 16 gauge that is.
I think there is a little mixup here. Just because the shells have a fiber wad and shot protector does not mean they can't be CF hulls. It is the basewad that matters.
The CF hulls were one piece usually with a red basewad. The polyformed hulls had both Fiber basewads and plastic basewads, usually grey
That is the basewad not the wad over the powder. Good luck

Member Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Posts: 2168 Location: Florida

separate plastic base wad. not cf

Member Joined: 15 Mar 2007 Posts: 601 Location: Virginia

Back when Winchester discontinued the CF in 16 gauge, they went to a Reifenhauser type hull with the silver colored heads and a smooth plastic sidewall. Those were made for about two years. They were the toughest hulls ever, including CFs, and lasted for 15 reloads and more. They never split, in my experience. My only regret is that I didn't stock up when they were available. They were made in the USA, according to the box, not Italy or Australia.

Dan

Joined: 28 Sep 2014 Posts: 241 Location: Kingsland, Texas

Hey Dan Thanks
Would you know what load data would apply to this particular hull?

Rick