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What it appears to be is a special plastic shotshell developed to be used in the rifle barrel of drillings. I do not have the dimensions of the hull but still looks neat.

I think it is a smaller case than 410, but do NOT know.

Mike

OK, lots of old news, and some confusion. Here is some old stuff from this forum on the Cheddite 16 ga. wads:
http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3557&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

OK, so Graf's calls them Cheddite brand, but there is some confusion about who is the actual manufacturer. I haven't called Graf's, and I'm guessing they'd say they were manufactured by Cheddite, or purchased through them.
http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=64915&sid=8cefec0d7b95b7dedf339f90dcc970dc

Here's the Cheddite site FWIW. It doesn't resolve anything.
http://www.chedditeitaly.com/en/borre.php

Whatever the case may be, when people -- at least in the original Low Pressure Group -- talk about the Cheddite or Activ wads, they are talking about the wads identified as Cheddite 1628 and 1632 by Graf's, and even a blind man would not easily confuse these with anything Gualandi makes. Whatever one finds in an Active factory load, of course, is what it is.

The question of the original poster, Agustus McRae, was, "Can anyone tell me where to find data on the Cheddite wad." Unfortunately, there is no definite unambiguous answer to that right now, and maybe never will be, but the Low Pressure Group is referring to those "Cheddites" sold by Graf's, when they list the wad choices "Activ G28", "Active G32" and "Ched 1628" in the loads spreadsheet. "Ched 1628" also is same as "Active G32" on those spreadsheets. Yes it is ambiguous and uncertain, and that means one has the opportunity to make his own choices on the matter -- just as he always has and always will have. I wish someone that goes way back to the start of that spreadsheet would clarify this issue.

Well, some folks seem to think I've been confused for quite a while. I'm not certain about this, but they may very well be right. Laughing

NEWS! -- On a whim I decided to look at my old reloading books to see if I could find reference to the Activ G-32 or G-28. Lo and behold -- I did.

Lyman Shotshell Reloading Handbook, 4th Ed. lists the Activ G-32 and G-28 in their wad description section, and shows pictures of a G-32! They look exactly the same as the wads Graf's sells as Cheddite CH1632. I have in my hand some wads I bought from Graf's as Cheddite CH1628's. They look almost exactly the same as the G-32, but with less shotcup capacity, and a slightly taller leg section. This matches the exact description given in Lyman 4th Ed.

Then I went to "Reloading for Shotgunners", by Fackler and MacPherson, 4th Ed. You might recognize Mr. Fackler as the fellow who started and still owns Ballistic Products, Inc. The 16 gauge section of this manual contains a sprinkling of loads using the Activ G-28. It also contains a lot of loads using the Ballistic Products designations for the Gualandi wads, e.g. BPSG16 (Sporting 16). So that puts paid to the notion the Gualandi wads are the same as the Activ wads -- (Gualandi Super G 16's, their P/N's BRG16/18 and BRG16/21, sold by Precison Reloading as P/N's TUWG2116 and TUWG1816, and by Ballistic Products as SG16 and SG16S) Why, for instance, would a loading manual written by the founder of the company that sold the Gualandi wads list a wad sold by another company under that company's name for it if it were the same wad as he sold?

So Activ wads are not Gualandi wads. And now we know how the Low Pressure Group came to using the Activ wad designations -- they used the same terminology as the available load handbooks did. From these books, it is quite apparent that Activ sold these wads under their name, whether they made them or not, and whether they always put them in their factory loads or not. It is also quite apparent these Activ wads are the same as the wads sold by Graf's as Cheddites. How they came to be branded Cheddite is a mystery to me at the moment, but not beyond imagination. I'm sure somebody knows.

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Perhaps they don't know and that's why they've mistakenly called them Cheddites. HUM!!!!???? Very Happy

From what I remember, Activ changed hands over a decade ago. The original Activ hull with the metal insert in the base was discontinued. I don't know if Activ is still in business, but the lateast production I saw from about a decade ago was loaded into Cheddite type hulls and used what were obviously Gualandi wads. More confusion.

Both Hodgdons and Lymans 4th differentiated between the Gualandi wad and the Cheddite type wad in their listing of loads. Lymans 4th show the activ 32 wad in their listing of wads and they make it known that the Activ28 is the same style as the Activ 32. These were both Cheddite type wads at the time. I have listed it this way on the spreadsheets as far as they show. Now with the newer loads, I have recognized that they at one time switched to the Gualandi wad. I have shown on the spreadsheet for wads a sheet listing loads for the Cheddite 1628(Activ 2 Cool

. I know this is confusing, but I had to go with what they used at the time for making those loads. I don't know why Cheddite has quit making these wads. The 1628 was actually a good wad for a 1 oz load in straight walled hulls. So use what you want.
There was at one time a couple of members that were using the Cheddite 1628 wad. Don't know if they are still around.

I'll make this simple just for you, 16gaygeguy. Activ sold Activ brand wads for the 16. Reloading books listed recipies for Activ wads for the 16, as well as loads for the 16 ga. Gualandi's -- right next to each other, if you care to look. Activ wads for the 16 are not the same as 16 ga. Gualandi wads. Activ wads are the same as the wads sold by Grafs as Cheddites. Yes, it appears some Activ factory loads had Gualandi wads in them. That did not make the Gualandi wads the same as Activ wads. Got it??

Member Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Posts: 2170 Location: Florida

Here is what I have, I looked at the manual that came with the 16ga Activ reloader starter kit

They list the wad that comes in there kit as the Activ G28, which is the same wad that is in the there factory loaded 16ga 1oz load , which is the same wad as the BPI SG16s or the Gualandi 16/18 wad . I remember seeing a post where Mike Campbell had a bag of these same wads labeled as Activ G28 . All the same the wad .

http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8128&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=g28&start=15

Member Joined: 15 Mar 2007 Posts: 601 Location: Virginia

The main difference between these wads you are talking about is the protrusions in the bottom of the powder seal. The SG16 wads have a bunch and look like the bottom of a pincushion. The G28 version has those little tabs and don't take up as much space. The G32 is a different design and looks more like an American-type wad.

BTW, Activ shells are very common in Argentina, so I'm guessing somebody down there bought the molding machinery when the Kearneysville factory was taken over by Kent.

Dan

Axtiv used the chedd style for a while and slid to the active g28 style . My vote /guess is that those early chedd styles were made by Pacific . The chedds always looked to me like a win red wad knock off . I think the important thing is they are avail and work quite well no matter which persuation you get .... NOW , about those DR'S!!!???

Activ used a mix of wads for the 16 Gauge.

The Activ G28 is a Gualandi wad. The actual Gualandi designation is BRG 16/21 although there were times when the BRG 16/18 which has more capacity were made available.

The Activ G32 is a who knows. Cheddite makes wads, but the G32 isn't one of them and Gualandi nor Bascheri & Pelagri makes that design either.

Graf's has 16 Gauge wads that are sold as Cheddite and are the old Activ G32 wad, but I have a feeling that Cheddite might import them but not make them.

Activ only made hulls their wads were made in Europe by a few different companies. Gualandi for sure, some of the other wads, I have no idea.

@DC37 ++1

By the way, I still have 500 G-28's I bought from Graf's a few years ago when they still had them; "Cheddite CH1628" was Graf's designation. Who knows who made them or sourced them to Graf's. As I said before, they look like a shorter version of the Activ G-32 wads shown in Lyman 4th ed, and the G-28 is described as such there too. G-28's are clearly not Gualandi's. I use them in short Cheddite hulls. They aren't really like old Pacifics. Pacific wads had a sort of cruiciform shaped little column for the spacer section. These so-called Cheddites seem more like the old 2-legged Pattern Control wads, examples of which are still available from Downrange in 28 (Blue) and 12 (Red), but long discontinued in other gauges.

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The Ativ G-28 is the same wad as the Sg16s that Bpi sells or the Gualandi 16/18 wad from Gualandis' web site , or the Precision TUWG1816 . NOT the BPI SG16 or Gualandi 16/21 or Precision TUWG2116 although they are for all pracitical purposes the the same except for the fingers or tabs in the over powder cup ,

The CH 1628 that MaximumSmoke refers to is certainly not the same wad as The activ G-28 .