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Augustus McRae
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:21 pm  Reply with quote



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Can anyone tell me where to find data on the Cheddite wad. I am a member of the Low Pressure Group but I don't remember my login info. I've read that it is a copy of the Activ28 but I haven't been able to verify that. Any help is appreciated.

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byrdog
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:06 pm  Reply with quote
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G-28 is gulandi 16ga same as BP"s 16 wad Not Chedite

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Augustus McRae
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:54 pm  Reply with quote



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What then is the Activ 28? I've been using the Gualandi wads.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:31 am  Reply with quote



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active 28 = qualandi 28 = BP wad . It just wouldn't be American to call it the same thing over time .

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Augustus -- I also think as you did, that the Active wads (or more correctly, the wads used in Active shells) are Cheddites. Incidentally they are not Cheddite copies, they are Cheddites -- there are no Cheddite copies. If you go to the Low Pressure Reloading Group load spreadsheets, for wad choices you see Active G28, Active G32, and Cheddite 1628. Then, of course, one can go to the page for wads and see designations such as Cheddite 1628 and Cheddite 1632 (Graf's designations), as well as all the confusing designations for the Gualandi and B&P wads, thanks to the retailers, who don't want to use the wad manufacturer's designations because they think they are distinguishing their product in the marketplace -- exasperating. Thanks for selling the wads, retailers, but why make it so difficult for your customers.

Anyway, looking at the loads sheets on the LPRLG spreadsheets, I think it's pretty clear the Active wads are the Cheddites -- of the two different sizes, 32 and 28, which in this case indicate the shot charges, in grams, nominally intended for their use. In Gualandi's system, similarly used numbers relate to wad lengths. There is no "32" used in any 16 gauge Gualandi designation -- neither is it used in the designations any retailer applies to Gualandi wads, for that matter.

I believe well-meaning folks have inadvertently corrupted the LPRLG spreadsheet in those wad description sections. There are wad designations in the loads sheets that aren't even mentioned in the wad data sheets. I think the LPRLG spreadsheet became a bit of an uncontrolled monster several years ago. It's far from useless, but using it requires some care, and always did.


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Call Grafs see what they give as a data source the Chedite 1632 that they sell is for 32gram or 1.125oz loads

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The Cheddite wads were used mainly in the old Activ hulls. There are loads using the G-32 wad in the Activ hulls. They are listed as the Activ G-28 and Activ G-32. Chedite lists them as the 1628 and 1632. There are listings for the 1628 in other hulls besides the Activ hulls. Cheddite used to include loads with their wads.

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Please be advised. I searched the internet for the following info to make certain:

Gualandi and Cheddite are two separate companies. Some of their wad designs might appear to be similar, but they are not necessarily identical, and may very well produce significantly different ballistic results. I advise caution until each wad design is clearly identified.
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oldhunter wrote:
The Cheddite wads were used mainly in the old Activ hulls. There are loads using the G-32 wad in the Activ hulls. They are listed as the Activ G-28 and Activ G-32. Chedite lists them as the 1628 and 1632. There are listings for the 1628 in other hulls besides the Activ hulls. Cheddite used to include loads with their wads.


I though It has been established that the Activ G-28 wad is this same as the SG16 wad
Yes ? No?
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There were 2 avtiv28 wads at one time. The wad that was in the Activ hulls and then the ones that came labeled in bags and were the Gualandi wad. I took some old Actic loads apart and they were the Cheddite wads. The only Activ shells I have left are 12 gauge so I can't take one apart as they were different wads then the 16 gauge shells. I had an old loading book that showed the Cheddite wads being used. I'll try and see if I can find it. Activ shells were made in two different places at one time also.

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16gaugeguy says:
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Gualandi and Cheddite are two separate companies. Some of their wad designs might appear to be similar, but they are not necessarily identical

Rolling Eyes Nobody said they were the same company, and if you have ever seen the wads, you know they certainly aren't similar in appearance at all!

Another confusing thing is people referring to BP wads, when they mean wads sold by Ballistic Products, Inc., which can be confused with B&P wads. B&P is Baschieri & Pellagri, a manufacturer of ammo as well as wads and other shotshell components. Ballistic Products, Inc. is a retailer of stuff made by other companies, and re-designates those parts with numbers/letters of their own system, just like other retailers do. So if somebody is talking about a "BP wad", it could be something made by just about any wad manufacturer.
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oldhunter wrote:
I took some old Actic loads apart and they were the Cheddite wads.


I took a 16ga factory load apart last night , this is what I found.




These loads have the SG16s or Gualandi 16/18 wad ( what ever you want to call them ) in them.

Also a old Active reloading kit I have has the same wad .
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that's exactly what my g28's from the bagged active wads of that era look like .... TL - thanx for mentioning the diff between B&P and Ballistic prods . I have lots to do with Ballistic stuff , nothing to do with B&P .

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Have fun poking around here Smile

http://www.gualandi.it/en/products_plastic_wads.html


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