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I refer you to "Reloading for Shotgunners" by Fackler and Macpherson, 4th edition.

- Fackler is the founder and owner of Ballistic Products.
- At the time "Reloading for Shotgunners" was written, Ballistic Products was the only company retailing Gualandi wads.
- "Reloading for Shotgunners" contains loads right next to each other for both the Activ G-28 and the BPSG16.
- The BPSG16 was Balistic Products' designation for the Gualandi wad and still is.

So answer this: Why would the fellow that was retailing the Gualandi wad list loads in a book he wrote, with a wad that was the same as the wad he was selling, but with a designation from another seller? Further, why then, if the wads were the same, were the ballistics reported for the loads different? Pretty solid evidence, along with the info from Lyman 4th ed. that the wad referred to as the Activ G-28 in the Low Pressure Group spreadsheet, as well as in Lyman, and in Fackler & MacPherson's "Reloading for Shotgunners", 4th ed., is not a Gualandi.

Nope, we don't yet know who made the Activ G-28 referred to in Lyman 4th ed and "Reloading for Shotgunners", 4th ed., and sold by Graf's as "Cheddite CH1628". We do know that Activ put that wad as well as the Gualandi wad in their factory loads at one time or another. But that's not the issue. The issue is whether the wad listed in the reloading books as the Activ G-28 is a Gualandi wad, and from the above, it clearly isn't.

Member Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 401 Location: Tennessee

Thanks Roadkill -- I don't doubt Activ changed to the Gualandi wad. That seems quite clear -- both have been found in Active factory loads, and you and others have seen they have both been sold by Activ as a reloading component. I am a little surprised they called the Gualandi by the same name as they applied to wad that is the one sold by Grafs as the Cheddite, but it is easy to imagine why Activ did that. I am not arguing against the fact that Activ gave the same label to both brands of wads.

The point is, whatever you call it, the wads from Grafs sold as Cheddite CH1628's and CH1632's are the same as the Active G-28's and G-32's shown in Lyman 4th ed, and they are different from Gualandi's. Further, those wads do load with different internal/external ballistics from Gualandis, as shown in Fackler and MacPherson's "Reloading for Shotgunners", 4th ed.

The original poster's question was on loads for the Cheddite wad. Such load data does exist in "Reloading for Shotgunners" by Fackler and Macpherson, 4th ed. as well as in Lyman "Shotshell Reloading", 4th ed, and in the Low Pressure Group's spreadsheet. It is different from loads using Gualandi wads.

Member Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Posts: 401 Location: Tennessee

I don't have Lyman's 4th to compare pics but the Gualandi SG16 and the Cheddite CH1628 are indeed radically different. Hard to imagine that they would not load differently!
Just as an aside, I have no use for the 1K Cheddite CH1628's that I have, I load strictly 3/4oz loads in 16ga and these have too much capacity for me. Anyone have any SG16's they want to swap?

From the Graf & Sons website:

CHEDDITE WAD 16ga 1-1/8oz 500/BAG. Item #:CH1632 (B 500 count bag) Price: $14.99

I tried to copy and paste the picture of this wad. Not happening. Best go to Graf's website and view them for yourselves. They do not look like Gualandi or B&P wads. They do not resemble the obsolete Active wads either. They are much simpler in configuration than any other Euro wad I've ever seen.

I suspect the CH1632 wads are specifically an industrial item and are not marketed by Cheddite as a reloading component except through a special agreement with Graf & Sons.

This horse is still dead!

Joined: 06 Dec 2010 Posts: 11 Location: Central SD

Not to stir things up any more, but this would be nice to have in the good ole US of A.
http://www.siarm.com/index.php?cPath=2_24_32_43
I see that there are 4 new Cheddite wads added to thier site at the beginning of this month. Maybe they will make it to this side of the pond sometime soon.
Ah! Italy!!

Joined: 28 Aug 2014 Posts: 924 Location: Eastern Tennessee

Wow. All those wads!

Thanks 8W7M0 for an excellent heads up.

Click on this for the image of a wad which might be a very good one:

http://www.siarm.com/public/images/CONT_12_41_AZ21_cal_12_.jpg

This wad looks to be extremely similar to the Remington 12 Ga. STS Figure Eight target wads. I know from experience the Figure Eight STS wads produce some of the most uniform ballistics and excellent patterns I've ever gotten from any target wad I've ever used. A 16 ga. figure eight type wad which fits Cheddite type hulls might be just the ticket for 22 to 24 gram loads. The shot cup might need a filler wad or two for these light loads, but who cares if the performance is there. I'd love to get my hands on some to try them out.