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Joined: 07 Jun 2012 Posts: 21 Location: Billings MT

I've stocked up on 12 gauge OO buck but was wondering if anyone loads OO for their sixteen?

A 16 model twelve holds plenty w/o an extension. Does 2 1/2 inchers give you another round in the tube?

1) you get 6 in the tube with short loads - back to the original 7 shooter ! 2) most agencies suggest 410 - 9's for indoor self defense , so if you are gonna use these indoors , you'll need wall repair and some spare outdoor siding ! BS loads will certainly do the job , outdoors and bigger spaces being the optimum !

Member Joined: 12 Jun 2008 Posts: 370 Location: Kansas

Something to consider too: lawyers have successfully argued that using reloads in self defense can show premeditation on the part of the shooter to kill and not just stop someone. I always keep factory loads in any self defense weapon for that reason. I don't have the specific cases, but I have heard that from both lawyers and gun owners and was encouraged to stay away from reloads for that reason.

Take that for what it is worth.

-Ben

Member Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 1338

Member Joined: 12 Jun 2008 Posts: 370 Location: Kansas

The argument is that they say if you reload the ammo you specifically craft the round for deadliness. If you use factory buckshot or slugs you can argue that you used the ammo available to stop the person trying to do you harm. By stop of course it means shoot center of mass and end the threat. I am not saying it makes sense, I am just saying there are men in big trouble because a two-bit lawyer seeking to advance their political career decided they could send a law abiding man to jail on a technicality. The Mod 97 16ga beside the bed is #5,#5,#5,#5,#5birdshot, #1buckshot. All factory loads.

-Ben

Joined: 26 Apr 2010 Posts: 3177 Location: NCWa

The diameter of 00 will only fit two shot per layer. the length/wad limits the number of layers to three or four, so you are only getting six or eight 00s in a load. As I recall, 1 shot will fit three to a layer in a 16 ga, which puts the total shot in the shell at nine or twelve, which at self-defense distances will be much more effective.

Joined: 21 May 2010 Posts: 603 Location: Victoria BC Canada

I would not like to be on the other end of my 1 oz. #6 shot pheasant load.

Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 367

for 12, 16, & 20. Commercial rounds only.

Reloading since 1972, have had only six squibs, last one was four weeks ago.

Got to love the 97, for HD duty, recall an article in a Early 70's "Guns" magazine, stating:
"a 97 with the hammer back, looks like a German Shepard getting ready to charge!"

Joined: 03 Sep 2014 Posts: 398 Location: Rochester, MN

You may wish to read this article: http://www.gundigest.com/gun-blogs/books/handloads-not-a-good-idea-for-concealed-carry

I do not think that there has ever been a documented case where a shooter was convicted because he used handloaded ammo and a prosecutor established that as premeditation. However, if any of us ever use our firearms in a shooting of a human being, we are likely to be dealing with a jury. Most likely that jury will not truly be made up of our peers when it comes to understanding firearms.

Joined: 05 Feb 2015 Posts: 267 Location: New Braunfels TX

I have a Model 37 Ithaca Police gun. Next to the gun is an open box of i.25 oz # 4 duck loads. It is there next to the dresser if I should need it. You know ,for the rabid zomby attack mallards.
I wont keep a loaded gun in the house just cant abide it.

Carlos - in the great providence of NY ,if the intruder advances and fires , you can fire back , if he fires and retreats , you have to let it go , until he turns to fire again , then you can return fire . If he desists and turns to run ,you have to wait again till he turns to fire again and on and on ! And that's IN your house !

Joined: 15 Jun 2010 Posts: 1358 Location: Twin Cities, MN

Just one of the 8,000 reasons I left New York.
Jeff

same here , love Maine though