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double vision
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:44 am  Reply with quote
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morngstar wrote:
Dave Erickson wrote:
It was most likely Greg's Loftness's.


You are right...it was Greg. He shot his Model 21 at the Sporting Cay course. He and my son swapped guns for a station. I loved how it fit me and how light it was.

I was not looking for a high grade but when I saw this one, I put it on layaway. I picked it up this weekend. I got it pretty cheap. About the same price as a standard near new original model 21. After two counter offers I was hooked.


Good going! It's another gun of yours that I'll need to check out next spring at the St. Paul shoot.
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gunflint charlie
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:21 am  Reply with quote
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morngstar, looks like something is engraved on the stock shield -- is that where it's identified as a DU benefit gun?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:24 am  Reply with quote
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Yep...it says "Donated to Ducks Unlimited by Nan and Frank Pachmayr."

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JNW
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:17 pm  Reply with quote



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That is a very nice 21! I like that engraving much more than most of the factory engraving. You are going to shoot some pheasants with it, aren't you? How about some numbers - barrel length, chokes, weight and dimensions?
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Jeff
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morngstar
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:42 pm  Reply with quote
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1934 Winchester standard Model 21 (Cody Museum documented)
16 gauge
Barrel Length: 30 inches
Single trigger
Selective ejector
Weight: 6 lbs. 11 oz.
I didn't measure the chokes but I think he said full and modified.

Unfortunately it is a safe queen. It was re-conditioned and upgrade customized in the 70s and has not been fired. I am the third owner. The original owner and second owner declare it unfired. I intend to sell it unfired to a collector. If it don't sell, I will turn it into a fancy shooter.

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1935 Superposed 3 inch chambered, 16ga conversion
Browning 725 16ga
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double vision
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:31 pm  Reply with quote
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Now there's a dilemma! That thing is set up something like the ideal pheasant gun and it's too nice to use. That would be like marrying a playmate of the year and sleeping in separate beds.

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Two Pipe Shoot
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:59 am  Reply with quote
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I'd walk the bushes with that gun. Maybe whatever I was chasing would take me seriously! Reno

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gunflint charlie
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I'm puzzled about "unfired" in this case ... does it mean unfired since the upgrade, or never fired in it's previous version as a field gun? Either way, I doubt it matters much for re-sale value, since it's not original condition anyway. I'd shoot it, and if it worked for me, I'd keep it and use it.

Other than using an inexpensive "bad weather" gun in nasty conditions, I don't believe in "too nice to use". I have a 16 ga. 21 with non-factory engraved frame that started as a standard grade gun, and I like it best when it brings down some birds on nice fall and early winter days. A little handling wear doesn't diminish it's value to me -- but then it's a gun I'll never sell.

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morngstar
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:30 pm  Reply with quote
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Unfired since the upgrade. To be a candidate for this type of upgrade it was probably near new. It looks unfired with no wear anywhere. I found out a little more about the gun. It was won at a dinner raffle by a teenager with a single ticket. The newspaper article said he had to pay taxes on $20,000.00, the value of the gun. It has been in storage evrr since. He sold it a few weeks ago. I have his name and plan to visit with him.

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WyoChukar
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I agree that it is a shame to turn any gun into a safe queen. First, many craftsmen put a tremendous amount of building such a fine firearm. It only seems fitting to do their efforts honor by actually using the gun. Second, nice old guns being used as mere trading commodities is why the prices get inflated beyond the reach of the average guy who wants a decent old shotgun to take out hunting. I dreamed of owning a Fox 16 ga. for 25 years before I finally scrounged up a good shooter that I can upgrade myself.
My dad used to have a Model 21 20 ga. two barrel set. It got carried in the field with care and admiration.

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Hyckory Styck
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Shoot that thing! Just don't torture it lol.

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morngstar
PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:31 pm  Reply with quote
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Hi J, Here it is.

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1935 Superposed 3 inch chambered, 16ga conversion
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GWP
PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:58 pm  Reply with quote
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While it awesome you got this one it sucks that it is so pretty you don't want to use it. I can relate. I have a Beretta 12 SXS I had completely re-done and it has lived in the safe since. I am sure I will eventually use it but not yet...
Enjoy it!
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JNW
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If I owned Teddy's Fox or any other such collector gun I would shoot the crap out of it. I don't believe in collector guns. It's like marrying a beautiful women and not consummating the marriage because then she would be "unfired".
Inappropriately,
Jeff


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AMEN
Choot, Lizabeth, Choot!!

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