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Gentlemen, I have a Sweet Sixteen in transit and MEC 16 gauge dies in transit. I need to order some hulls and wads, and am thinking of buying Cheddite hulls and Claybuster WAA16 (CB0100B) wads, as I am thinking I'll mostly load 1 1/8 ounce loads for bird hunting. Does this make good sense? I see a lot of talk about the DR wad, but it is for reduced loads that may not even function in an Auto 5. Thanks for any guidance -- and if you have a powder you favor for the Cheddite hull and CB wad, feel free to share.

Joined: 12 Feb 2015 Posts: 100 Location: Oregon

I bought a flat of 16 gauge Remington shells to start my hull collection for reloading. I use the Claybuster wads to reload 1 oz shells, and they cycle my A-5s. I have used Herco, Green Dot, Unique, and am currently using Universal Clays.

Member Joined: 08 Jul 2013 Posts: 325

I get my supply of Cheddite hulls from inexpensive Herter's ammo from Cabela's. Lately they've had quite a variety of loads, and when they're on sale I think they're cheaper than my reloads.

I think you are on the right path. I like the waa and the Z-16 both using Longshot which is available. the ched hull is good and available as a new primed hull from various scources .I like using new hulls for field loads.

Member Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 3438 Location: Illinois

A straightwall hull-Federal,Cheddite-will work better w/a 1 1/8 oz load.Unique or Herco are good choices.

Member Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Posts: 2169 Location: Florida

The Ched hull with the waa wad and longshot is not a good choice. I been there and had bad powder migration Issues . That combo with a large flaked powder will work fine . If I where going to load 1 1/8 oz with that Hull wad combo I would use 800x , but it doesn't meter well , so when I load 800x I weigh all my powder drops . Depending on how many you are going need in a season it's not a big deal for me.

If I was going to load Longshot with the waa wad , I would get a hold of some Remington hulls .

Joined: 18 Feb 2014 Posts: 30 Location: New Zealand

For hunting load I use ched hulls, CB waa16 clone wad and 800x with a 1 1/8 shot charge. Data is in the spreadsheets. It crimps nicely and drops decoying birds just fine.

Joined: 23 Aug 2009 Posts: 295 Location: Southern Ontario

I too was thinking of using WinAA 16ga. wads in the ched hull. It felt fairly loose, so I cut the pedels off the wad and just put the wad base in the hull. The wad base was very loose in the bottom of the hull. I would suspect there would/could be a lot of powder migration.

Not scientific, but I choose to use the BP (SG16, Z16) wads with the ched hulls instead. I use my WinAA and Rem SP16 wads for my WinCF hulls exclusively.

I stick with Unique powder fairly exclusively for lead.

My two cents.

Don.

Joined: 06 Jun 2008 Posts: 117

I finally got around to chronograph a 7/8 load I have been shooting skeet with.
The load is 16 herters cheedite hull
Fioochi primer
20.9 grains of universal powder
DR wad ( yea got them restocked)
7/8 oz of 8 shot
Average of 5 shots 1140 fps.
I just shot this load in my Sweet 16 no problems.
Myself I see no reason to shoot a 1 1/8 oz load out of a 16 gauge.
I would shoot a 12 if I wanted that large of a load.
Shot allot of birds with 1 oz of shot.
Just my opinion .

Member Joined: 06 Nov 2005 Posts: 328

All sweet 16 may not cycle a 7/8 oz load.
But, mine does. With a little oit on the mag tube.
Don't count out your sweet not cycling 7/8 oz loads.
You can load 7/8 oz in a ched hull using the DR 16.
And add a 16 gauge pump in the future and have fun with 3/4 oz loads.

And I also see no reason to shoot 1 1/8 oz loads in a 16.

Neither Win AA16's nor their Claybuster clones are a good recommendation for hulls such as Cheddite, Winchester Cheddite, Fiocchi, Herters, etc. Powder migration can be a problem because those wads are not made to fit those hulls. yes, you can make them work with large flake powder, but why. There is a better choice: Use the Gualandi wads -- they're made for those hulls. Ballistic Products Inc. sells them as SG16 or SG16S. Precision Reloading sells them as TUWG2116 or TUWG1816. B&P wads also are made for those hulls. At Ballistic Products Inc. they are called Z16 or Field Commander, and at Precision they are TUWZ2M16GA.

For 1 1/8 oz. in a 70mm (2 3/4 inch) Cheddite hull, use 22 grains of Longshot or 25 grains of HS-6 and either a Cheddite or Winchester 209 (Ched's will fit tighter -- best for automatics). Use one of the three wads above. They'll be around 1200 fps. Those loads are from the Low Pressure Group spreadsheet (join and get it).

Joined: 08 Feb 2009 Posts: 1310 Location: Western WA

There are good and not-so-good combinations of hulls and wads, with many bytes and electrons expended on the topic here, and much valuable advice dispensed and experience shared.

I aver that it can be boiled down into one general rule: American wads for American hulls, and European wads for European hulls.

Brewster

Member Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 1338

Really appreciate all the guidance, fellas. Tempted to try some DR16s, too, in case the loads will cycle the Auto 5.

Where do you guys buy your wads? I was just ready to order a bag of DR16s and a bag of Guilandis from Precision Reloading, and the $25 order was going to cost $17 to ship. Not on my watch.