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| < 16ga. General Discussion ~ Doodle Day |
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:16 am
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Usual haunts were under water as river was over flood stage. Had to do some prospecting and found 4 new coverts. Definitely a feathered lining in those rain clouds.
16 ga. M37 and Ithaca 100 (SKB) 20 gauge. Dogs better at their jobs than triggermen were at theirs.
MutPac sporting buzz cuts to eliminate burr magneticism.
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:45 am
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Location: Ohio..where ruffed grouse were
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| Appears to be a bit of a turf war ongoing. |
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:41 am
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| Good stuff Gil! Mutpac looking dapper! Our groomer once found a strand of barb wire a foot long in a Cocker's coat the owner didn't even know was there! I don't know how the poor dogs hunt in cocklebur country with a long coat. |
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:54 pm
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Location: thick and uncivilized places in the Allegheny Mts.
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Glad the woodcock made it down your way. Leave a few to migrate back up by me next spring.  |
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Going into coverts becomes less a chase with the sole purpose of killing; it remains important to find game but the gratification-and I keep coming back to that word-is in the beauty of finding it. George Bird Evans A Dog, A Gun, And Time Enough. |
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:55 pm
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Gil,
Like Rick says leave lots of seed stock for us.
Good Hunting,
Mike |
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:07 pm
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Played hooky with Floyd today. Not used to hearing the roar of a covey in a woodcock thicket. A. Ilsley 16 and MutPac + Sadie.
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:34 am
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Location: thick and uncivilized places in the Allegheny Mts.
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| That's a sweet looking 16 and by the pic a deadly one too. |
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Going into coverts becomes less a chase with the sole purpose of killing; it remains important to find game but the gratification-and I keep coming back to that word-is in the beauty of finding it. George Bird Evans A Dog, A Gun, And Time Enough. |
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:01 am
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:28 am
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| You folks north of the Mason Dixon line will be seeing a lot of educated birds returning to the Allegheny Mtns, WI, MN, Pa. NY, IL, etc. They are being schooled by me in the fine art of lousy shooting. Gil |
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:01 pm
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| Any big flights Gil? |
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:52 am
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| Can't say for sure if flights are big or usual for where I have been. There are probably some local birds mixed in. Temps up north haven't been unusually frigid but moisture has been good. SC season is in on the 18th and that is where I usually have better results. I live near the SC/GA border |
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:28 am
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| Great looking A. Ilsley! What does that one tip the scales at? From my reading, Arthur Ilsley was a Birmingham maker who was known as a "finisher". I take that to mean that he was known for adding refinements to the final product. Yours sure reflects the quality of his work. Very good looking gun. |
Last edited by Lloyd3 on Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:10 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:45 pm
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Lloyd, the gun weighs 5 lbs., 12.5 oz. 28" BLNE, F/C. I bought it June, 2011 from Hill Rod & Gun. In 2009, it was re-chambered for 2 3/4" (stamped 70 mm.) and re-proofed at the London house for the mod. It appeared to have little use and Charlie commented that the vertical lines on the breech end were probably from barrel fitting. It is a sweet little gun in the hands and most likely made in the 1930's.
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Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:21 pm
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Gil: What a great weight! My BLE W. Richards is 1 1/2-ounces heavier, which is likely to be the weight of the ejectors. Hard to argue with a gun like that. English 16s, especially the ones built on the smaller (20-gauge?) frames, are probably the absolute best value in an upland double gun (lots of gun for very little money). Nothing else comes close IMHO. Hand-made (pre-WWII) English quality, balanced, and beautiful. Pure performance, with just enough art thrown-in to keep it civilized.
At that weight, I'm guessing that it was made by Messrs. Skimin & Wood (a bit too-light for Webly & Scott screw-grip gun) and then nicely finished by Mr. Ilsley. I'm also guessing that you're not shooting 2 3/4-inch shells in it (even though you could in a pinch)? Something that light, with such a thin wrist.... 7/8th ounce RSTs? |
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Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:06 am
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| Lloyd, I shoot Polywad 2.5 Vintagers and DoubleWides (left barrel) both low pressure and 7/8 oz. Thanks for your observations and insights. Gil |
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