16ga.com ~ View topic - Remington Dove/Quail Loads 1980's, similar to current G.Ls.?

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Hello
Does anyone know if these 1980's era Remington Dove/Quail Load Hulls are the same as the current Remington Game Load Hulls?

I don't have a current empty Game load Hull to compare the base to.
They look very similar other than they have a copper coloured base and headstamped "Remington Peters 16 Ga.".
Thanks
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They are the same as far as reloading.
Only ones different are the sawdust bases.

Mike

Thanks
I'll be loading these in a day or two.
Mark

Member Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 3438 Location: Illinois

Those older hulls will FAR outlast the newer style in terms of number of reloads

Good...I'll be looking for more.

The loads and hulls pictured appear to be earlier versions of the typical black RGL cases w/ plastic base wads designed for 209 sized primers. They do not have the fiber base wads used for the discontinued Remington hulls designed for #57 sized primers.

The taller copper washed steel bases indicate the hulls are earlier versions of the typical black RGL hull w/ shorter brass washed steel bases we have today. My best guess is they are probably from about 1986 or later after Remington stopped producing 16 ga ammo w/ #57 sized primers. The copper colored steel bases disappeared some time after the late 1990's.

About 15 years or so ago, I had access to once fired RGL hulls from the Remington Ammo test facility in Utica, NY through one of their employees who salvaged the hulls for bulk sale to interested reloaders like me. He had a significant stockpile of these 16 ga. older RGL hulls w/o much demand for them. He offered them to me at a very attractive price including the shipping costs, so I bought well over 5K of them bulk packed and shipped to my address for what would be peanuts today. I suspect he was more than happy to be rid of them. How times have changed. I still have several thousand of them left.

I've found these older versions of the RGL hull to be more rugged than the latest ones. The black tubing used to make the hull walls is apparently a bit thicker and appears to be made of a tougher polymer plastic. The hull mouths hold up to at least two more loadings before they start to split at the folds. I've never had one split upon the first firing either, so they are more dependable in my experience.

With these older RGL hulls, I need only one .135" thick 28 ga nitro card filler wad in an R16 wad to load my 3/4 ounce loads instead of the two needed in the recently manufactured RGL hulls. So the older RGL hulls are apparently a bit smaller in volume. However, ballistic results for my pet Green Dot based 3/4 ounce reload design do not appear to be significantly changed when loaded in either hull.

These hulls are a bit tougher than the current ones. I was roll crimping them with a Turn of the 20th Cenutry tool and it took a bit longer and more effort...but not really that much, just enough to tell a difference.
Mark