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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ What's Special about fiber wads and paper shells? |
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:21 pm
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I've noted a few comments over time by some shooters and reloaders that seem to indicate a preference for paper shell hulls and/or fiber wads. Why might that be? |
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:21 pm
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Joined: 30 Dec 2012
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Location: Chocolate City, Florida
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The fiber wads typically used in the old roll crimped and later star crimped shells, work better in the older, forcing cones, past the chamber.
The short forcing cones of older, short chamber guns, were designed for fiber wads, not plastic wads. The advantage of the "new" one piece plastic, wad-shotcup, is actually defeated to a degree, by the short forcing cone.
That's why some folks have there older doubles, forcing cones lengthened, to take advantage of the plastic wads design.
Paper? I love the smell....
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:27 pm
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Location: Minnesota and Florida
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Well . . . It is very "old-school" by now, but it does make guns manufactured before about 1965 shoot patterns a bit closer to what the manufacturer intended. Plastic unitized wad columns and shot protectors usually tighten things up -- from a little bit to a lot. Certainly paper hulls are less durable and a little less weatherproof, but what really trips the old-school shooter's switch is the lovely scent of a fresh smoking hot paper empty!
Yes, paper and fibre are old tech shotshell materials, and in no way superior to modern plastic stuff performance-wise, except for maybe being more environmentally degradeable -- and that's even required in some shoots nowadays in some countries.
Thought I'd better hyphenate "old-school". Wouldn't want to be mistaken for an "old school-shooter". Yikes!! |
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:23 pm
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Joined: 07 Apr 2007
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Location: northwewst Wyoming
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Paper shells smell great after they are shot.
I load and shoot all brass hulls in gauges 28 (Parker Repro 2-barrel set), 20 (BSS), 16 #2 AYA and 12 (BSS). My best patterns for 28 and 16 gauge are from card and fiber wads and my best patterns from 20 and 12 gauge guns are derived from 1-piece plastic wads. The above was obtained from weeks of pattern testing at the distances that I shoot, |
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:32 am
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Location: Westport Wa
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I had heard paper hulls and fibre wads cushion the recoil a bit but have never shot more than a few so do not know for certain. |
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:27 am
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I first hunted with my dad in 1949 , I used an old worn Hopkins and Allen 12 ga. never connected on a Grouse all season with that full choked dog leg stocked gun. However I did get some shots. I can still remember picking up the empty hulls and sniffing the aroma of burnt powder and wax. Dad always picked up his hulls, so as to not disclose where we had been hunting. He shot a 20 ga. using Peters blue paper 7 1/2 shot.
I still pick up my hunting shot hulls and sniff them (paper or plastic). A reminder of some good times gone by.
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:02 pm
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Joined: 22 Dec 2004
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Location: S. E. Arizona
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Paper hulls are cool.
Not leaving plastic wads scattered al over the ground is VERY cool. |
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Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:21 pm
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Location: McPherson, KS
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GWP wrote: |
I had heard paper hulls and fibre wads cushion the recoil a bit but have never shot more than a few so do not know for certain.
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I believe a selling point of one-piece plastic wads when the ammo companies first loaded them in the early '60s was that THEY reduced recoil due to the cushion section in the wads.
If card and cushion wads reduce recoil, it's probably because the velocity is low. My experience in chronographing some of the old card wad loads is the velocity is considerably lower than stated in the manuals.
I load card and filler loads because 1) over the years i've bought a lot of old components because nobody wanted them and they were cheap 2) they pattern more like the choke designation on my older guns, whereas the plastic wads pattern too tightly and 3) they take me back to 1964 when I started bird hunting. |
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