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mo1826
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:34 pm  Reply with quote



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Hi all! I am new to the forum and have just recently been gifted a verney carron helistop. This I believe is from around the 1930's. It's a 2 1/2" 16ga and from visiting local gun shops to try and find shells I'm learning that's kindof unique. The stock was cracked when I received it and the action was kindof gummy but I had a gunsmith fix the stock, clean it up and check it out and now I'm really looking forward to getting some use out of it : D

Here are some pics. I'll really be looking forward to learning more by participating on this forum.









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Cheyenne08
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:28 pm  Reply with quote
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mo 1826, first off, welcome to the site. You are welcome here, post often, don't be a stranger.

That is a nice looking old double, is it French? I have a Manufrance Robust # 3 that I really like.

If you can post more photos of the bottom of the barrels and the action water table, our experts here can go to work and give you more info on the gun.

As to ammo, if you don't reload, like me, I suggest you try RST shells, in my opinion they are about the best 2 1/2 " shells you can buy, they are great people to deal with, and they have a great selection of 16 ga shells.

Again, welcome!

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skeettx
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:30 pm  Reply with quote
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Hello
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WELCOME on your first posting

Look here for the proofmarks

http://www.shotguns.se/html/france.html

I also would suggest RST initally

Again Welcome
Mike


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Jakeismydog2
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I love the unique font used on the lever. Really cool.
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JPM98VMI
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:00 pm  Reply with quote



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Welcome and thanks for sharing.

Be sure to check out this group (and join / sign-up so you can access the reloading spreadsheets:
https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/reloading16gauge/info

Cheers!
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ninepointer
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:17 pm  Reply with quote



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I'm partial to continental guns, but some are a bit gaudy. This one has character, without being over done! A nice gift indeed!
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skeettx
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:46 pm  Reply with quote
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One of my French shotguns also has the lever stop Smile



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Gil S
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:05 am  Reply with quote
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French guns can be excellent and are often undervalued. That's a solid looking gun by a known maker. RST is a great choice and so is Polywad for low pressure and 2.5" shells. I use both.
A nice entry for your first post. Welcome aboard. Gil
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Dave Erickson
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For the money those guns cost they just ooze quality.
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Gil S
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For whatever reason, and I haven't heard or recall a reason, we just don't see many French guns in the US compared with those from the UK or rest of the continent. Manufrance made a ton of good guns and only a few seem to trickle over here. The Ideal is a classic made by Manufrance and is highly desirable, but only a few show up at the usual online vendors at prices considerably costlier than they would cost in France. Gil
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jswanson
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Anybody else having trouble seeing mo1826 pictures?? I just get little squares with X in them. Skeettx pic is just fine???

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skeettx
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:06 am  Reply with quote
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mo1826 pictures - no problem

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Gil S
PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:42 am  Reply with quote
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Take a look what Ideals and Robusts sell for in France. The Robusts often go for less than what a Stevens plain Jane sells for over here.
If only there was a way to get them over here from France without the hassle, cost and time factor.
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Fusils-Juxtaposes-Manufrance-Robust-Ideal--critere-22241.html
There are also about 3 pages of Verney-Carron in various grades.
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Fusils-Juxtaposes-Verney-Carron-critere-22712.html
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Sid Post
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Verney Carron are very nice double rifles! Very Happy

The Chapuis aren't bad either. Wink

It should be a sweet handling shotgun.
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Ted Schefelbein
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Gil,
Parity between the dollar and the Euro is a bit recent. I looked into getting used guns, here, back when I was doing that, and there was simply no way to pull it off. Really good guns, a decade ago, sold for more in France, and Europe, than they would here in the States.
Remember, in Europe it is only the rich that hunt.
I looked at a non ejector Ideal on the page you put up, it was listed for 800 Euro. That is about what it would sell for, here. Notice I said "sell" not "list" on an auction site, with a starting bid of $1899, for a decade, or two.

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