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< 16ga. Ammunition & Reloading ~ A simple solution to improve wad feeding into hulls |
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Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:46 pm
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Mon Feb 15, 2016 2:37 pm
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mike campbell wrote: |
My solution, especially with the advent of the DR16, was to 1) remove the wad guide entirely.
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Weren't you the one who advised grinding off a chunk of the wad guide in order to use the DR16 on the 9000? So that didn't work out to your satisfaction? Now we're supposed to throw the guide away entirely and prep the hull with a stick?
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Mon Feb 15, 2016 2:46 pm
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THIS IS A ROUGH BUNCH!!
All I had to do was use a Hornady wad guide in the Texan wad guide holder
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Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:03 pm
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Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:33 pm
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oohhh guys , drink a cool drink !! Rgls are tough little buggers and the fact they all are JUST a LITTLE different makes them interesting ! Even when you think you've got them down pat , they mess with you a little . I've grown accustomed to hand feeding those and all my 410's . Takes me a week to load a flat , but like Mikey sez , they are ALL 100 per cent good to go . There is no guide in my 410 . There is a washer on top of the platform on the 16 and it is only used for Feds . My BP has been acceptable for a while now ! |
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Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:48 pm
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Uh well......the "chunk" out of the wad guide had nothing to do with getting the wad inserted into the hull......it was filed to be able to get the wad into the wad guide while leaving the rammer tube in position to seat the wad firmly on the powder.
Not sure that I would iron every hull mouth, but I get Mike's point. It is obvious that Mike found a better way, for his needs, to reload RGL's. Not sure we need to get all grumpy over a $5.00 wad guide. If you don't like his suggestion, don't follow it.
I was also in on the idea to file the top lip of the wad guide, the wad guide on my 9000G still has the filed out "chunk" to insert the wad easier. Are you pi**ed at me too? |
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Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:31 am
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My dad made me a tapered smooth plumb bob type bit for my cordless drill. I put it on high speed and iron out a couple hundred pretty quick usually work on a bucket of 500 at a time then run them through the press. I only use the RGL's for 3/4 oz so a few thousand a year are fine. Once the bit is hot it opens them up in a second. I don't like extra steps when loading but like Mr. Campbell I really try to avoid hiccups on my 9000g in the end the smooth loading cycle is worth it. I have my ram tube set high enough that I can slip the DR16 wad in with no alterations but it requires a little 2 step dance. My Win CF's load the smoothest then the Herter's lastly the RGL's they need the extra attention. |
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Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:37 am
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I use my lee load all my RGL hulls, I open up the crimp by carefully shoving the hull onto the prime station rod on my mec 600, give it a quick twist and no problems with wad hangups. also gives me a chance to weed out used up hulls with cracked crimps. |
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Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:01 pm
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Okay, now that bird season is over and I am home again I will try to figure out the pic thing. I may need to resurrect my old photo bucket account since the dropbox account did not jive with what I attempted before heading to New Mexico.
Someone asked which loader, I am dealing with Mec 650's but have experienced the problem with 600 Jr's as well. The fix I describe of using a spring to pull the wad guide down into the case mouth applies to the 650 and any other model that uses the round rod for the guide to clamp onto. |
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Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:20 pm
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Perhaps now? [img[URL=http://s1039.photobucket.com/user/WyoChukar/media/DSCF1329_zpstkhe49gg.jpg.html]
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Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:52 pm
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Thanks!!! |
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Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:11 pm
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GEEZ LOOEEZ GUYS!!! Might I suggest you all try the Irish engineering method. Why not go out and get a bigger hammer, then apply it to the offending hulls to your hearts' content. It's a great outlet for the frustration and pent up energy from lying around the shanty too long through the winter months.
Think of it as therapy. Works for me. Might for you. A liberal application of Irish whiskey helps too. |
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Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:02 pm
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mike campbell wrote: |
I load RGLs almost exclusively. I have thousands of them...at my present rate of shooting the 16's, more than I'll go thru in my lifetime. Therefore, I have little tolerance for niggling problems with them and am quick to toss em after 2-3 reloads. That said, I too often encountered hung-up wads or, worse yet, a slight nick in the wad skirt due to the crispy folds, even after only 1-2 reloads.
My solution, especially with the advent of the DR16, was to 1) remove the wad guide entirely 2) iron the case mouth of each and every one with a tapered dowel before putting it in the press and 3) starting the wad by hand. That little extra effort is all that's required for flawless functioning....not 99/100 tries, but indefinitely. I load on 9000G's and learned long ago that the high-volume capability of the 9000 is due to the design...a loaded shell with every handle stroke. Trying for more handlestrokes per minute is counterproductive. At a deliberate pace I can load a flat in way less than an hour without a single malfunction. For me, trying to go faster and shave a few minutes is not worth a single FU in 500.
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I stumbled across this the past weekend as I was setting up my new 9000 16ga. and IMO it is simple but brilliant, thank you! The DR16 is much like the DR XXL 7/8 pink (and you think the DR16 is bright colored?!) 12 ga. in that it is very tall and I had to file and grind a notch in the side of the wad guide to feed them on the 12, with as mentioned previously the same 2 step dance. Wasn't looking forward to doing the same on the 16, and this works perfectly. First couple of handle pulls felt naked without the wad guide, didn't take long before I don't miss it.
As I was making room in the reloading room for the new 9000 I ran across something that took me a minute to remember what it was, been more than 10 years since I've used it. It is the BPI Spin Doctor, at one time as my hulls got rough crimps I would use it to open the mouths back up and it helped me get another load or 2 out of crispy shells. I used to do a flat or so at a time while watching the news at night until the weather came on. Going to see some use again now.
I checked and BPI and Midway still sell it. |
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Posted:
Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:58 pm
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and now for something completely different.
I made a small insert that is easily pushed into the case mouth. the out side dia is exactly the internal demention of a new hull, then put the hull upside down in a mec supersizer. One stroke and its ready. SO' Place plug in case mouth Size brass size case mouth pull plug. How easy can it get. |
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