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Member Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 2349 Location: West MI

Nice, mine either had the cheek plate sanded off or a restock so it needed some build up to fit right but they are sweet sweet machines, best of luck with yours and here's to many years of wing-shooting with them, cheers.

BBTW; is that a Griffon lower left? If so, nice, IF I ever get a dog it will be that breed, awesome dogs!!

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They are actually both GWP's. The guy on the lower left is a NAVHDA registered dog. He's 2 in that picture and 14 now, mostly deaf, but otherwise in pretty good shape. The guy on top was a fabulous grouse dog.

Member Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 2349 Location: West MI

Very nice, a couple beaut's, it's hard for me to see the little differences between GWP's and Griffons.

I see your West WI sig line....sorry to hijack the #7 thread, but I'll steer her back around... delivered a boat up by Clam LK/Cable WI area over the past weekend, incredible, looks like there should be a bird every other step, the cover looked awesome and that's from what I could see on main roads!! I'd would like to visit up there again with a shotgun and some time during small game season. I'd certainly have a couple boxes of my 1oz NP #7 hunting loads with me... Very Happy

Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 1460 Location: Eagle, Nebraska

Use them on Prairie Chicken and sharptails, huns, chukar, blue/ruffed grouse, bobwhites, valley quail, pheasant early season in first barrel...

The 7's I have had loaded were closer to 6.5 shot, I am guessing all shot that fell between 6 and 7.5 screens?

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I had an interesting patterning session today comparing a 1 1/16 oz. load of hard 7's to a 1 1/8 oz. load of hard nickel plated 6's out of a cylinder and an IC barrel.

Interesting?? Please tell more Smile

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I'm cookin' steaks for the wife and I at the moment (her birthday), so when things settle down here I'll put up the pictures.

PLEASE tell her HAPPY BIRTHDAY from all of us here Very Happy

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Ok, I compared a 1 1/16 oz. load of Lawrence Mag 7's to a 1 1/8 oz. load of Precision Reloading's hard nickel-plated 6's at 25 yards with my cylinder-choked lower barrel and my IC upper barrel.

The 1 1/16 oz. of Lawrence Mag 7's used the Federal 12S3 wad. The 3 shot average clocked at 1211 fps. This load is taken from a 1 1/8 oz., 9000 psi load from Alliant with just a reduction in shot, so it should be safe.

The 1 1/8 oz. load was based on the same load from the Alliant web site and it ran 1183 fps (3 shot average), but I subbed in the B&P (Trap Commander) wad. I won't recommend this load, but I personally think it's safe. I'll sent some to Tom Armbrust if I go with it.

Both had exactly 20 grs. of Green Dot, a Fed 209A primer in a Federal Gold Medal plastic hull.

The pictures first show the Mag 7's compared to the NP 6's in the Cyl barrel, then the 7's compared to the 6's in the IC barrel.

My goal is an effective pheasant load that won't beat the snot out of a strong, but very light 12 gauge OU. I prefer not to get my fillings loosened either!

All comments welcome!

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Joined: 15 Jun 2010 Posts: 1358 Location: Twin Cities, MN

Good work kemosabe. Either load will, of course, work well for its intended purpose. If it were me I'd go with the 1 1/8 oz load of nickel 6s. Same pellet count, a little bigger pellet and virtually the same recoil. The cachet of telling others that you shoot a custom load of 1 1/16 oz of #7s is priceless and can't be discounted. If you can't shoot an "interesting" gauge at least you can shoot unique ammunition. I look forward to the field testing you will perform this autumn.
Again, nice work and useful information. We won't go into how many patterns you have to shoot to make statistically valid comparisons.
Say, what does your garage door look like after shooting at it this afternoon?
Regards,
Jeff

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Haha, that would make my wife happy.

I just rewrote my text above because I had some mistakes....now it should make better sense.

I don't know if it's the 6% antimony NP shot or that B&P wad, but the 6's have a pretty high percentage at 25 yards compared to the Lawrence Mag 7's. For purely hunting pheasants I'd lean to the NP6 loads, but that swarm of 7's looks like a grouse getter.

Edit to add I think the tighter choked 200E 16 will get more day to day pheasant hunting and this 12 will get a few early pheasants, but be the main grouser. Twisted Evil

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Ya, I know it's a pathetically small sample and not statistically valid, but it's all I care to do with it other than possibly repeating it once more without all the marking and counting and then sending a few to Tom.

In general, larger shot patterns tighter, right? I'd think gamebirds of any size would have difficulty surviving these patterns. Wonder what the patterns would look like out at 40 yards. Are those 30" circles? I know you've said you have IC and Mod, but can you tell us what your choke constrictions actually are. Good work. Thanks!

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