16ga.com Forum Index
Author Message
<  16ga. Ammunition & Reloading  ~  Tested ITX load results
Brewster11
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:10 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 08 Feb 2009
Posts: 1301
Location: Western WA

Fn16ga,

Many thanks for your efforts and leadership in this area. The development of affordable high performance non toxic shot may be the single most important technology for sport shooting today. I am becoming convinced that non toxic shot will be mandated for all hunting across the country in our lifetime. It's already happening in California, and it will spread. Dealing with this reality will be our challenge going forward, and your work will help us greatly.

Brewster
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
16GAwaterfowler
PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:54 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 15 Dec 2005
Posts: 287
Location: missouri

fn16ga wrote:
Thanks I will have to try the CCImag primers.

Blue Dot worked well for Hevishot loads, you can get away with a milder primer like the Winchester 209 using Blue Dot, gives a bit more wiggle room for pressures.
This is 1 1/4 oz #6 Hevi @ 40 yards, BPI VP80 Blue Dot load 1280 fps, meat grinder so I reduced it down to 1 1/8 oz of shot.
[img][URL=http://s1218.photobucket.com/user/Joe_Speroni/media/IMG_0041_zpszkrnrcmn.jpg.html] [/URL][/img]
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
fn16ga
PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:38 am  Reply with quote
Member
Member


Joined: 09 Jan 2013
Posts: 2165
Location: Florida

16GAwaterfowler , At an 1 1/4 that would make great Turkey load for sure , what choke was that through .

Is that a tested load ? Care to share the data ?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
16GAwaterfowler
PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:51 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 15 Dec 2005
Posts: 287
Location: missouri

fn16ga wrote:
16GAwaterfowler , At an 1 1/4 that would make great Turkey load for sure , what choke was that through .

Is that a tested load ? Care to share the data ?

That's a listed BPI load, shot through my 1100 16 ga with full Remchoke tube
PM you the load information
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dave In AZ
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:10 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 13 Oct 2015
Posts: 348

Hey BT! Wink
Non-tox or steel threads are so very rare here... I should have guessed it would be you!

I ended up not sending in any 16ga loads for testing, I kept delaying while trying to get out and pattern test and chrono various loads before sending them in. Finally after 5 months delay, ran out of time and so just sent in 5 loads in 20ga.

Kieth at Precision got them today, hopefully testing in the next few days. Sure wish I had time to move forward on the 16ga load, based on the info you gave me, maybe help you get another data point in series. So unless I load and shoot your load, I don't think I'll be using the 16ga mod 12 for ducks at least in beginning of season.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
16GAwaterfowler
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:59 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 15 Dec 2005
Posts: 287
Location: missouri

Dave In AZ wrote:
Hey BT! Wink
Non-tox or steel threads are so very rare here... I should have guessed it would be you!

I ended up not sending in any 16ga loads for testing, I kept delaying while trying to get out and pattern test and chrono various loads before sending them in. Finally after 5 months delay, ran out of time and so just sent in 5 loads in 20ga.

Kieth at Precision got them today, hopefully testing in the next few days. Sure wish I had time to move forward on the 16ga load, based on the info you gave me, maybe help you get another data point in series. So unless I load and shoot your load, I don't think I'll be using the 16ga mod 12 for ducks at least in beginning of season.

Dave,
As I mentioned I've been shooting the 1540 fps 16 ga steel load for 14 years now, can't beat it for early season ducks. Recently went for combo dove and teal hunt at state waterfowl area, non toxic shot only. Really worked out well using the 16 ga. had 6's for doves and 4's for Teal. Shot quite a few of each and was happy with it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
rdja
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:31 pm  Reply with quote
Member
Member


Joined: 02 Sep 2010
Posts: 829
Location: SW Ohio

Is Nice Shot even available anymore?? Website seems blank.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
fn16ga
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:44 pm  Reply with quote
Member
Member


Joined: 09 Jan 2013
Posts: 2165
Location: Florida

Looks like they have some loaded ammo , but no bulk right now.

http://store.fastcommerce.com/niceshot/16-gauge-ammo-ff8081811b7b39b0011b8fd7bad3084e-c.html
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Brewster11
PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:28 pm  Reply with quote



Joined: 08 Feb 2009
Posts: 1301
Location: Western WA

Fn16ga,

I sent you a PM.

Brewster
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
gloftness
PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:40 am  Reply with quote
Member
Member


Joined: 30 Jun 2012
Posts: 180
Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota

I talked to BPI this week about Longshot loads with the VP80 and they told me that their testing with recent powder batches caused them to remove LS from any recommended loads with the VP80/1680. Pressures were high even with the 19gr load I was discussing. (Cheddite 1 1/8oz Itx, 19gr LS)

If you are loading LS with this wad you might want to reconsider or have it tested.

Greg
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
fn16ga
PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:14 am  Reply with quote
Member
Member


Joined: 09 Jan 2013
Posts: 2165
Location: Florida

From this thread : http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.pht=18706&highlight=

Brewster11 wrote:
PT1680 holds precisely 1 1/8 oz. of no. 4 ITX and fits snugly in 2 1/2" Cheddite hull with 19 gr LS.

If you must, BPI lists the load for 2 3/4" with a quarter inch spacer.

3 slits in the wad per BPI, mica dust for good luck if not better loading.

It's the nearest thing to lead we've used since the ban, the 12 gauge magnum bucketful of steel is no longer necessary for pheasant and greenheads, the 16/ITX combo really does the job, almost like back in the day.


Brewster , FYI had that load tested 1259fps 17366 psi WOW!

Also had another ITX 10 load tested with steel powder that is base off of one BPI loads , that I made 2 changes , a 2.5 gr reduction in powder and a primer change, it came as much as 3000psi over


Last edited by fn16ga on Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:13 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Upland Carpenter
PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:50 am  Reply with quote
Member
Member


Joined: 24 Jan 2007
Posts: 467
Location: SC PA

Just in case you guys didn't see it, #4 and #6 ITX-10 are on sale for $138.90.

Marc

_________________
"A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man" - Vito Corleone

''Common Sense isn't common" -Lefty Kreh
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Brewster11
PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:30 pm  Reply with quote



Joined: 08 Feb 2009
Posts: 1301
Location: Western WA

All,

I have also been in contact recently with BPI concerning their ITX loads, and Longshot is definitely off their list for PT1680/VP80 ITX loads due to excessive pressures.

BPI will be publishing new ITX loads with Alliant Steel powder soon.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mcrewz
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:30 pm  Reply with quote



Joined: 20 Jun 2011
Posts: 118
Location: Illinois

Take it for what its worth, new in Load of the Week section BPI

Load 160928-9020

HULL: Cheddite 16ga. 2.75” hulls

PRIMER: CH209

PROPELLANT: Alliant Steel 23.0 Grains

WAD: PT1680

SHOT: 1 1/8 oz. 492 gr. BISMUTH #4/#6/#7

FOLD CRIMP: OS16 over the shot

Result: PSI 7900 FPS 1150
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mcrewz
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:56 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 20 Jun 2011
Posts: 118
Location: Illinois

Sending in two loads to be tested.

The first is based off of this Hogdon lead load 1 1/8 in a
-federal hull
-Win. 209
-Rem.SP16
-longshot 26.8
-8,600 PSI
-1,295 FPS
I figured there is 2400PSI to play with so we will see what we get. The only thing I changed was I only put 1 1/16 oz of ITX 10 #4 shot 465gr, which is 10 pellets less than 1 1/8oz, it just crimped better for me and it would keep pressure down slightly. If nothing else this will give an idea of how much pressure difference there is between ITX10 and lead.

The second load I'm sending in is a BPI load that is suppose to be 1 oz that I am reducing to 7/8 oz in hopes it will come in under 11000PSI

Cheddite hull once fired
cheddite 209
24.7 gr longshot (25gr is what the load calls for but this is what my MEC drops)
BPI VP80 3 slits, 1/4" 20ga cork, 1/4" 20g a felt
7/8 oz ITX 13
16 ga overshot card

Im going to call Tom on Monday and hope he isn't done testing for the year. I will let everyone know what this yields.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
All times are GMT - 7 Hours

View next topic
View previous topic
Page 3 of 5
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
16ga.com Forum Index  ~  16ga. Ammunition & Reloading

Post new topic   Reply to topic


 
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum




Powered by phpBB and NoseBleed v1.09