16ga.com ~ View topic - 3/4 oz load for Intl.and 2 1/2 Cheddite hulls

Member Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 425 Location: Big D

The Hodgdon site lists only the DR 16 as a wad choice for my 2 1/2 Cheddite hulls. I have Cheddite primers, and a lesser amount of Win 209's. Anyone have a published/tested recipe for another wad with International? My old print out from the low pressure group only has a 7/8 load w/ Intl. Done some looking, thought I'd ask.

Thanks in advance,
Mike

Member Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 2349 Location: West MI

Have you considered joining oldhunter's yahoo reloading group/library?

http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/reloading16gauge/

Member Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Posts: 2169 Location: Florida

You can take any of the International 7/8 oz data you have with the sg16 wad and drop the shot charge to 3/4 oz and it will be safe and should work just fine but, you may or may not have to use a filler . The dr16 wad is the best choice for that combo .

Member Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 425 Location: Big D

I did look into joining the yahoo group- too much personal info required or some such- don't remember.

As to the DR 16, have never been able to get it to work satisfactorily, so I've given up on it.

I'll reduce the 7/8 load and see how it performs- thanks.

Mike

Joined: 15 Jun 2010 Posts: 1358 Location: Twin Cities, MN

What kind of issue did you have with DR16s? I'm not at home just now, but I'll look in the BP 16 gauge manual for a load with an SG16. Probably require fillers.
Jeff

Member Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 425 Location: Big D

Joined: 03 Feb 2014 Posts: 325 Location: West Texas

I have loaded 3/4 oz loads with the Hogdon recipe and used RST hulls and DR-16 wads with no issues on my 600 JR. The RST hulls don't last many reloads though.

Member Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 425 Location: Big D

Well, you are a better man than I, for I can't make em work. Here's a pic of a 2 1/2 RST with 15.5 of International, a DR 16 wad triple checked that it was fully seated, then loaded with 3/4 oz (verified) of shot. The shot is within 1/8 of the top of the case mouth (may not look like it but it is), and I can't get a decent crimp on it to save my life.

Joined: 03 Feb 2014 Posts: 325 Location: West Texas

Are you putting any pressure one the wad ? I use about 10 on my compression gauge for 3/4 oz and push it up to 50 or 60 to get 7/8 oz in. I have to move quickly to the pre crimp and final on the 7/8 oz because the legs start straightening out after compression and shot will overflow the hull. That's what the legs on the wad are for. When the shell is fired the legs are fully compressed against the shot cup anyway. When you pick up a spent wad the legs have straightened back out.

The final outcome is a wad that presses down on the powder charge and up on the shot. Seems like the perfect thing to me.

Anyway I can tell no difference in performance with them than any other.

Member Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 425 Location: Big D

I have had mostly poor results trying to "pre=crush" the wad. They often bent sideways in the hull, and result in weak or squib loads. The bent wads were retrieved after shooting, and were a clear indication as to the reason for the squibs. The failure rate was quite high in 2 1/2's, no problem in the 2 3/4 hull- but I've gone to reloading 2 1/2's exclusively. It's just a lot less trouble to use an SG16 and a filler than the DR16.

Thanks for the input
Mike

Joined: 03 Feb 2014 Posts: 325 Location: West Texas

Member Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Posts: 2169 Location: Florida

I load 3/4 on with a Mec never had any problems with cocked wads .

http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17685&highlight=dr16

Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Posts: 567 Location: wheeling, wv

I use that same load, and if anything, my crimps are a little dished, but not enough to want to use a filler, and they shoot fine. With the DR16 and 7/8 oz, I cannot get a good crimp due to overfill.
I use the DR16 w/ International for my 3/4 loads, but use the SG16 with either 7625( still have 5 lbs) or Universal for the 7/8 oz loads in my 2 1/2" cheddite hulls.