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ole_270
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:26 pm  Reply with quote



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I'm looking for a good 1 1/8 oz load to throw nickeled 5's at wild, hard pressured, public access pheasants with my Dickinson Estate SxS. Would like to stay in the 1200-1250 area but will try others if someone has had great success with it. Thought I'd found just the thing with the Cheddite 1632 wad over 22 gr. 800X but it's been pointed out to me that those wads boost pressures too much. Very disappointed since that load patterned fantastic and the birds I shot opening weekend were hit really hard. Much better patterns than the same load with Z16 wads. I may still send some in for testing just find out what they are running pressure wise.
I've got Universal, 800X on hand and Longshot ordered. Z16 and SG16 wads in addition to the 1632. Cheddite cases in the form of new primed, unfired cases and fired, ready for reloading.
I have access to the spreadsheets and have been looking them over, but would like to find loads people have been having good success with.
I know many here lean to the 1 oz loads but for birds that don't hold for a point or that the lab kicks up I feel better with a bit more shot. The rest of the group have been shooting 1 1/4 and 1 3/8 oz loads in 12ga so I am backing off somewhat.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:12 am  Reply with quote
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Cheddite 1-1/8 oz. Longshot 24.0 Win 209 Cheddite 1628 1305 10,600 Bowbuilder 16 gauge forum

The 1632 wad is the same wad as 1628 less the little pins in OP cup . You might be able to drop the LS powder charge by a grain and get the FPS you want .

I think the load Dogchaser37 had tested was 23gr 800x CCI primer 12500 psi , so your 22gr load might work .
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:44 am  Reply with quote
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Federal 16 ga 2 3/4" Paper base Hull
CCI 209 Primer
IMR 800-X 23.0 grains Powder
Remington SP 16 wad
1 1/8 oz lead shot
FPS - 1,277 PSI - 9,800

DC37 's Load
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:29 am  Reply with quote



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fn16ga wrote:
Federal 16 ga 2 3/4" Paper base Hull
CCI 209 Primer
IMR 800-X 23.0 grains Powder
Remington SP 16 wad
1 1/8 oz lead shot
FPS - 1,277 PSI - 9,800

DC37 's Load

Only problem is you get powder migration from the SP-16 wad even with big flake powder like 800X in the Federal hulls. This works better for me

Federal 16 ga hull
Winchester 209 primer
26.5 Longshot
16 ga gas seal, I use Alcan PGS seals, BPI's would work also
SP-16 wad
1 1/8 oz of lead shot
1310 fps @ 10.100 psi
Works real well in the field.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:40 am  Reply with quote
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I have never had any problems with migration with that 800x combo , weather riding in the truck or miles of pocket carry .

If your worried about it , I do like these 2 loads off the Hodgdon site

Both ,Remington hull

21.0 Longshot CCI 209M Rem SP16 11,200 PSI 1,240

21.0 800-X Rem. 209P Rem. SP16 10,800 PSI 1,225

I load them in the green Sp hull
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ole_270
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:28 am  Reply with quote



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Thanks guys. I played around yesterday with the Z-16 wad and both 800X and Longshot. That short shotcup leaves too much unprotected shot and the patterns show it. Longshot is so much denser than 800X that when using the 1632 wad i had to put filler in to crimp right and then I was back to the same problem of too much shot above the shotcup.
Does an old style over powder card wad on the powder, then the plastic one piece wad work or does the combo raise pressures? Trying to use the Longshot for it's lower pressures with the 1632 wad for it's longer shotcup and denser patterns. I suppose with the added card wad you could also use the SP-16 which I also have on hand.
Would be nice if the wad people would make a wad that fits all the straight wall cases around and stack correctly for the 1 1/8 oz loads. I' know, not that many people are loading for the bigger birds in 16 ga.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:58 pm  Reply with quote
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I do not know if an overshot card raises pressures when placed over the powder and under the SP16 in the load with 800-X in the Federal hull, but in other loads I have experimented with it did not. It definitely stops the migration of powder past the obturating cup.

What I tried recently and I know that this will not increase pressure is a product from Precision Reloading LLC called Tight Seal. They are Tyvek discs that cannot seal powder gas, but are properly sized for this application.

No migration and no difference in ballistics.

Tight Seal was originally made to seal in buffer without using a hard overshot card.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:59 pm  Reply with quote
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I do not know if an overshot card raises pressures when placed over the powder and under the SP16 in the load with 800-X in the Federal hull, but in other loads I have experimented with it did not. It definitely stops the migration of powder past the obturating cup.

What I tried recently and I know that this will not increase pressure is a product from Precision Reloading LLC called Tight Seal. They are Tyvek discs that cannot seal powder gas, but are properly sized for this application.

No migration and no difference in ballistics.

Tight Seal was originally made to seal in buffer without using a hard overshot card.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:22 am  Reply with quote
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Mark , have you ever had any powder migration issues with your 800x load ?

I like the tight seal idea .
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:41 am  Reply with quote
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None with 800-X. I shoot only repeating guns, so my loads get a lot of in and out of the magazine and I typically leave my ammo in my truck.

I also do not use wad pressure to seat the wads with 800-X, I let the crimp, which is a full .060 deep exert the wad pressure.

Longshot however.......sometimes, sometimes not.

All other powders with the SP16 wad in Cheddite, Federal cases or the like a definite, Yes.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:34 pm  Reply with quote
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I had some of those loads for about 4 years now that have been carried and rode with out any problems , never had any issues with Steel powder and the Sp16 wad either.
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ole_270
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:08 am  Reply with quote



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Re-reading this thread and noticed DC37 was talking about an over shot card under the plastic. What I was thinking about was an undersized nitro card under the plastic wad, say a 28 ga. nitro card then the plastic unit. BPI has loads in other gauges using this technique but I know they get a lot of flack for their pressure listings on here. I haven't found the post but someone sent a load from BPI to have an independent test done and it came back quite a bit higher than BPI listed.
That Tyvek disc to seal the powder migration issue looks promising though
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Tried a similar load to DC37 above, used the Herters(cheddite) case since it is reasonably transparent and with a good light you can see if there are any powder grains moving past the cup seal. 22.2 gr 800X(just what my #31 bushing throws), Rem SP-16 wad and 1 1/8 oz Nickel plated 5's(averages 485 gr with my modified charge bar so just slightly light). There was a few powder grains in the web section of the wad after loading, more than likely transfered on the air rushing out of the hull while seating the wad. I've about worn my wrist out shaking these shells trying to move some powder but so far not seeing any increase. I may put them in the truck for a few months to see if anything happens. Patterns look good so may be on the right track.
Would be nice to find some of the clear cases available in other gauges for these kinds of tests.
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Rio makes a clear hull . Out of stock right now

http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Rio-16ga-2-3_4-new_primed-16mm-100_bag/productinfo/RIO167016/
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I'll have to keep an eye on those, and the primer pocket conditioner
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