Found a few of these in my older reloading supplies. They are Win CF, they look like my favorite hull but...20's! Anyone else here remember these little buggers. They only wish they were 16's.
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Joined: 17 Jan 2009
Location: Mesquite, TX.
Several years ago I was killing some time in a Des Moines, Iowa antique shop and found a box of Winchester AA in 20ga. and they are all red. This box of shells have never been fired. They came home with me. They are still unaired.
Joined: 06 Nov 2009
Location: West Coast of WI
I used to load a lot of the yellow Mark 5 20 ga Winchesters. They crimped so well it almost felt greasy as you pulled the lever down for the final crimp. Even if the folds of the crimp weren't quite right it didn't matter. That plastic would obey the shape of the crimp die.
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Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Not so long ago, I bought a large supply of green low-base and maroon high-brass Fiocchi new primed 20 gauge hulls from Ballistic Products, Inc. They are of the latest design -- great hulls. I've use up most of the green ones at skeet, and have kept a hundred of the maroon ones for special hunting loads. I shoot more 20 than anything else because I shoot a lot of registered skeet, and it bugs me that I am stuck with shooting yellow shells. Aesthetically, too much yellow is an abomination. I loved it when colors indicated a brand. For me it was a sorrowful turn of events when 20's went yellow, though I know it was a good move for safety. I ran out of red Win/West CF 20's long ago, but I still have some red low-brass Remington paper 20's, a lot of green Remington hi-brass 3" new primed paper empties (to be trimmed and roll crimped -- no, I don't shoot a 3" 20, never have, not one shell, proud to say -- I shoot the 16 instead), and a very few blue Peters and green and red Remington original SP plastics, plus a few red Win/West Ranger/Xpert low-brass, and some yellow paper Federals. Ahh . . . nothing like living in the past.
Joined: 08 Aug 2011
Location: Central CT
I have about 1,500 12 gauge AA CF hulls left, about 100 16 Gauge CF hulls left and no 20's. Gave the 20's away a few years back to a friend for his kid.
I used to love the Winchester 16 CF's with SR7625, WAA16 wad and an ounce of shot. Those 16 CF's never lasted very long with that load, the crimp would crispy up after 4 or 5 loadings, but I loved that load for about anything worth shooting at. I taught(maybe tried to at the time LOL) my son how to shoot with that load also. (it must have worked. He has two GSP's and spends time at LeJeune's Trap & Skeet fields.)
I have a few red 20 ga CF Super X that I take to Hunter education class as part of the lesson that "just because it isn't yellow" doesn't mean it's not a 20. Particularly when some know-it-all parent says "you can always tell a 20 because they are yellow"; well here's a red one, same color as the 12 ga, but what's it say here on the base?
Joined: 12 Mar 2005
...For me it was a sorrowful turn of events when 20's went yellow, though I know it was a good move for safety."
Yup. I agree. I just can't remember exactly when 20 gauge went yellow. Can anyone here refresh my memory? Much appreciated.
There's yellow and then there's yellow. I like how the bright yellow Remington hulls look. They seem to say,"It's a sunny day. Let's go shooting".
But my ugly grimy dingy depressing old yellow WW AA hulls outlast them three to one. I'll take my Wellbutrin, put up w/these dingy old hulls, and shoot 'em 'til they crumble--which takes a long time. That's sort of depressing, but meds make it better.
Joined: 12 Mar 2005
[quote="Dave in Maine"]"...I think the change to colors started about 1960. IIRC, Federal kinda led the way on that one color for one gauge."
Thanks Dave. I thought SAAMI made it mandatory somewhat later than this, but I couldn't say for sure. I'm not even sure it was SAAMI who did so. Guess it doesn't matter now. Yellow 20's are in.
Perhaps it is for the best. I would not want to be standing next the the poor fool who drops a 12 gauge load on top of a 20 gauge load in his 12 gauge gun and touches it off. I've got enough problems as it is. Shrapnel in my kiester would not improve things--especially at an airport security check station. "Sir, would you please step into the room on the left and drop your pants?"
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