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Dave Erickson
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:11 am  Reply with quote
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I believe it was someone called Jakesmydog who said he was going do a makeover on the 16 gauge spreadsheets (reloading data).

What ever came of that??

I thought George had it nailed down pretty well.

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Dogchaser37
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:14 am  Reply with quote
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George does have it nailed down. I am not sure what that guy wanted......he posted something over on SGW concerning the same subject, but I haven't seen any follow ups.

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Dave Erickson
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:22 am  Reply with quote
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A lot of blood, sweat and tears went into that database by George and many members and contributors. I don't think it's something that should get just handed over to some johnny-come-lately.

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Dogchaser37
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:33 am  Reply with quote
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I agree Dave.

I am now a co-moderator with George concerning the Yahoo Group. For the most part I stay out of it and only respond when a reloading question comes up.

George does 99.999% of the work.

I would like to see those spreadsheets last a long long time. Especially since some of that information is old, and no longer readily available.

I hope that when I retire (that is several years away) that I will be able to add information and help George keep things updated.......at least that is the plan.

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Dave Erickson
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:47 am  Reply with quote
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I'm about 2 1/2 years from semi-retirement so I can certainly help out if needed.

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Carlos
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I posted a question on the Yahoo group, but will repeat it here. I am an Ol' Phart, and have trouble locating the non-tox data in a way that I can use to find options and plan my reloading (with non-tox shot)

Perhaps the moderators can hold my hand and split the data out into a separate spreadsheet?
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Charlie16ga
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I took the old list and 'recodified' what I could from original source materials (identifying by color code those formulas that are confirmed and those that are not). What I did discover was some minor errors in the document.

I would happily share this work with someone else, however, I have now incorporated the low pressure group data in to the spreed sheet so it is no longer something I can share unless the person was also a member of that group.

I have made some errors of my own that make it less than ideal now (I did not identify the difference between PSI and other pressure systems)

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If anybody thinks or sees mistakes, contact me and I will check it out and if needed change the information.
As far as the old pressure testing and the new. I reloaded many loads befor the piezio system came about. In fact years ago some loads were listed without pressures. Hodgdons had loads on their containers listing loads with no pressure. In all of my 65 years of hunting with a shotgun and shooting trap I have yet to blow up a shotgun. I'm 78 years young now.
A little on BPI. Yes they had some bad loads. If anybody took the time to compare you would see that those loads are gone or changed. To many shooters use their loads and components. If shotguns were being damaged you would hear about it.
As far as new loads I have not seen any of you members lisint the loads you have had tested. A few have. That is one way I get new loads to put on the spreadsheets and you are noted on the spreadsheet.
My time is not spent on the computer. From August through April( weather permitting) I am up at the local preserve either with my two shorthairs or training their young dogs. Proud to say I have turned out some excellent dogs.
Other time is spent on my own shooting range in the backyard either patterning some loads or target shooting with my pistols.
enough said going out to the backyard now.

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Charlie16ga
PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:29 pm  Reply with quote



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Oldhunter, Please don't get the impression I am complaining at all. The yahoo group, my own reloading manuals, and the low pressure group have been a godsend to anyone wishing to use a 16 gauge. I simply take the old lesson to hart that if you are going to deal with explosives you might want to source all your information yourself before pulling the trigger.

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Roper
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Is there any data on loading steel? I haven't found much anywhere...

I don't load it but another fellow asked me.

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Roper wrote:
Is there any data on loading steel? I haven't found much anywhere...

I don't load it but another fellow asked me.

Roper


One page in the spreadsheet for steel.

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Dogchaser37
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There is a Bismuth and ITX sheet also.

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Jakeismydog2
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Yup, I made what I think is a really great, super user friendly 16 ga database. Unfortunately it was made clear to me by some on here not to share it. It sits on my computer.

Honestly I am still amazed the backlash I got for tying to do something I thought would be a benefit for everyone.


I am still around here too. I just don't post much. I am waiting for a 31L to show up for sale on here.
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Dave Erickson
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Jakeismydog2 wrote:
Yup, I made what I think is a really great, super user friendly 16 ga database. Unfortunately it was made clear to me by some on here not to share it. It sits on my computer.

Honestly I am still amazed the backlash I got for tying to do something I thought would be a benefit for everyone.


I am still around here too. I just don't post much. I am waiting for a 31L to show up for sale on here.


Jake, a little communication goes long way. I, and I'm sure 99% of us had no idea what became of your idea. If I remember correctly George was fine with you taking it over as was most everyone else on that original thread. Have you shared it with anyone? I apologize if I'm coming off as ungrateful, but you and your idea disappeared without a trace.

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Jakeismydog2
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I mentioned in that previous thread that I would wait two weeks to post the new spreadsheet to give anyone an opportunity to tell me not to post it. I received a PM asking me not to. I have honored my word and have not posted the info.
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