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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:33 am  Reply with quote



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While I may have committed a bit of heresy by proclaiming my Ideal 6RE-E 12 gauge my favorite shotgun, all is not lost. I continue to scour the world for just the right MF Ideal 16 gauge companion for it. While i don't have a permanent Ideal 16 in the stable as yet, I do have a few that pass through my hands now and again. This one is worth having a look at.

It's a post war Ideal 340 ejector 16 gauge in damn near LNIB condition. 70 cm (27.5") barrels, 14 1/4" LOP and 2 3/8" DAH. 6 pounds, 1 ounce. I don't have a bore gauge so can't be dead sure on chokes but my Galazan gauge says it's IM & Extra Full. Enjoy!

Oh, BTW. Near as I can tell, it's all original finishes.





















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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:45 am  Reply with quote
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Very nice, James. Wood is beautiful, but not in your gun's league, but not much else is. Gil
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:47 am  Reply with quote



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Gil S wrote:
Very nice, James. Wood is beautiful, but not in your gun's league, but not much else is. Gil


Gil, shouldn't you be working about now! LOL

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:27 am  Reply with quote
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Beautiful! So much want!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:12 am  Reply with quote
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Oh my! If there is a proverbial cake, that gun just took it. Cool beyond the normal scale of cool.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:51 pm  Reply with quote
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James, your stock looks more like chocolate marble cake. This 16's wood is more like a chocolate layer cake. Both look delicious. Gil
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I've seen a few of these...but never in that condition
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:19 pm  Reply with quote



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I've had a request for a little more info about these guns so for those who haven't seen them before....here goes.

It is a Manufrance Ideal model 340. Manufrance (or MF) was the largest manufacturer of firearms in France. They were in existence from around 1888 until 1985. They made all kinds of shotguns and rifles....SxS, pumps, single shots etc. To give an idea of the quantity of their production, they made 950,000 of one model of SxS, The Robust.

Total production of all Parkers, for example, was around 500,000. I think all Ithaca SxS total around 700,000.

The Ideal is a classic and true round action design, first produced in 1888 and in production continuously except during the war years until the company shut down in 1985. Like the main American makers, MF would take a design and offer it in multiple quality grades as their method of hitting different price points. And, like the American makers, there was a big enough home market so MF was not particularly aggressive about selling guns outside the borders of France. So they are rare everywhere but France, but common there. In France today I can easily find an old beater Ideal for sale for $400. Or I can fine a pristine high grade for $20,000. And everything in between.

Besides the round action, another uncommon aspect of the ideal is the trigger guard opening lever, rather than having a top lever. Makes for a much better looking gun, IMHO and remarkably ergonomic. Ideals are also known for having a very simple and very strong action design.

If anyone has any further questions I would be happy to respond.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:51 pm  Reply with quote
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That is a beutiful gun....wow

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Interesting and beautiful gun.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:27 pm  Reply with quote
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Near new and unfired can be found, but are of course rare (even in France) and the price usually reflects it. This one was, as James said, LNIB, and at a very attractive price.

Please note that the gun is not in battery. It took me a missed pheasant and a few unbroken targets to realize what was going on: if the rising bite that engages the doll's head is not flush with the top, the triggers will "soft fire," almost like there is a brake on the strikers, and the gun will not go off. Light primer strikes, but no bang and no bird. It seems, at least in my experience, to only happen with reloads. Factory shells are seldom a problem. In this photo, James has snap caps in, and for some reason the gun has not gone into battery. Just a little doll's heads up to those of you who own, may own, or have a chance to shoot one.


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Manufrance Ideal 314:
Barrel set 1- (choke) .000 , .007 , chamber 70mm
Barrel set 2- .025 , .047 , 65mm

Manufrance Ideal No. 5:
Choke: .000, .010, 70mm chambers
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:10 pm  Reply with quote
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Thanks for pointing that out, Mike! It did look a bit odd, and I found myself wondering if it was fully locked up. Some lucky fella's gonna have Christmas a few months later than normal! Wink
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It may just be the best condition Ideal in North America...Christmas indeed!

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Manufrance Ideal 314:
Barrel set 1- (choke) .000 , .007 , chamber 70mm
Barrel set 2- .025 , .047 , 65mm

Manufrance Ideal No. 5:
Choke: .000, .010, 70mm chambers
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Its a beauty! Is there a safety? Maybe the little knob above the triggers?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:24 pm  Reply with quote
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Yes, and really the weak point of an Ideal. Not much more than a stamped piece of sheetmetal, but those of us who love the gun kinda view it as a small mole on a super model. Razz

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Manufrance Ideal 314:
Barrel set 1- (choke) .000 , .007 , chamber 70mm
Barrel set 2- .025 , .047 , 65mm

Manufrance Ideal No. 5:
Choke: .000, .010, 70mm chambers
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