16ga.com Forum Index
Author Message
<  16ga. General Discussion  ~  Hemingway - Life lesson learned the hard way.
gomerdog
PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:20 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 26 Sep 2015
Posts: 12
Location: Fremont County, Wyoming

[quote="Pine Creek/Dave"]gomerdog,

I would love to see Hemingway's home in Cuba the Finca Vigia must be incredible especially to a guy like me, as he was my favorite of all writers and sportsman. Unfortunately as a retired US Army CID Agent I go no place where I can not carry at least a side arm, if I can absolutely help it.

Do you have any pictures you can post of the inside of Hemingway's home, if so please post them for us to view! Would live to see them.


Pine Creek,

Sorry about not responding to your request, but I have been out of town for a week and couldn't respond. Like others, I don't have a Photobucket account (only the wife's Shutterfly account, which is not the same I don't think), so I don't think I could post pics if I wanted to. The pictures posted by another forum member are better than mine anyway.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pine Creek/Dave
PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:55 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 17 Mar 2017
Posts: 155
Location: Endless Mountains of Pa

GD,
Roger that, his pictures are great! I also get a kick out of some of these authors that are Psyco analyzing Ernest Hemingway. These writers actually think they know this man because they are writers them selves. What a joke.

The only thing we actually know about this great sportsman and incredible writer is that he hated his mother for treating his father like crap, and that after being jilted the 1st time by a lover, he never let it happen again thru his life time. He liked the ladies and he played with them his entire life after being jilted by his 1st love.

We also know that suicide does run in his family and that he did kill himself shortly after loosing his best friend in a hunting accident and loosing his cherished home in Cuba.

Some of his wives have written books about him and some were actually friends with each other. This we also know. Remember however these books are from scorned ladies, take them for what they are worth. Although they are interesting reading, the books are still from scored ladies wanting to tell their bitter story from their own point of view.

In reality I do not think any of these writers or people knew enough about Ernest Hemingway to give a true picture of the very complex man he really happened to be. IMO trying to use his short stories to mirror his actual life is all hog wash. This particular man grew up in a world much different than ours today, with no political correctness and he was not afraid to show his masculinity. Most modern girls, especially the writers and Psyco Doctors hate him for probably actually being the real macho man he appeared to be in public.

Hemingway did tell his best friend that no woman would ever take advantage of him again, after he was jilted by his 1st lover. In fact it does look like he lived to his words. Looking at his over all life he never trusted another woman, and he did actually hate his mother and blamed her for his father's death. He never even attended her funeral and rarely spoke of her after her death.

Ernest Hemingway was a very complex man, because he had very few close friends history actually knows very little about the real man. Other than he was a great writer and serious sportsman, who loved his stolen home in Cuba, had one really close friend who perished in a freak hunting accident, which he had promised to go on, and failed to live up to the promise, and that he hated his mother because for what she had done to his father.

IMO Ernest Hemingway looks to be the Macho Man of his era and that after loosing both his home and his best friend, he decide to move on upstairs, via his own hand.

Pine Creek/Dave


Last edited by Pine Creek/Dave on Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:41 pm; edited 2 times in total

_________________
"L.C. Smith America's Best" - John Houchins
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
tramroad28
PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:58 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 20 Jul 2011
Posts: 345

Never meeting our heros or those folks we admire(d) for whatever reason, probably falls under the heading of unanswered prayers.
Feet of clay spares no one....no one.

An honest rather than a fanciful view or cherry-picked interpretation of a Life should be the best tribute to anyone.
Gilding a lily ignores the true aspect of the lily itself....gilding is never necessary, for the real deal.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pine Creek/Dave
PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:43 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 17 Mar 2017
Posts: 155
Location: Endless Mountains of Pa

tramroad28,

Only one had no faults, he walked on water, raised the dead and made the blind see.
All others are simply mortals, with human ways. All must stand in front of the Lord for final judgement, Hemingway was no different.

Pine Creek/Dave

_________________
"L.C. Smith America's Best" - John Houchins
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
tramroad28
PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:55 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 20 Jul 2011
Posts: 345

Essentially what I said, PC ....w/o the need for a religious angle.

It remains tho, to me, that heros and the like are very often best unmet.
I don't believe I could have suffered Hemingway for long.

I prefer to respect his talent and acknowledge a Life unique...distance, has it's plusses.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dave Erickson
PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:29 am  Reply with quote
Member
Member


Joined: 06 Nov 2009
Posts: 1944
Location: West Coast of WI

Big Two-Hearted River is a good read.

_________________
What friends I have, what days I treasure most, what places that I think about and smile . . . they are because shotguns are. Without them I would have been empty. They have made my life full. - Gene Hill
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Cheyenne08
PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:52 pm  Reply with quote
Member
Member


Joined: 09 Dec 2009
Posts: 1185
Location: Cheyenne, Wy

tramroad28 wrote:
Essentially what I said, PC ....w/o the need for a religious angle.

It remains tho, to me, that heros and the like are very often best unmet.
I don't believe I could have suffered Hemingway for long.

I prefer to respect his talent and acknowledge a Life unique...distance, has it's plusses.


I think Hemingway and I would have hit it off, he liked to drink beer, hunt, and didn't suffer fools.

Dale

_________________
One man with courage makes a majority.

...Andrew Jackson...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
tramroad28
PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:13 pm  Reply with quote



Joined: 20 Jul 2011
Posts: 345

Cheyenne08 wrote:
I think Hemingway and I would have hit it off, he liked to drink beer, hunt, and didn't suffer fools.Dale


Beer can be ok; how Hemingway hunted and killed stuff may have been ok, and not; fools tho are defined in the eye of the beholder and are situational.
I do know that I can not suffer a drunk....anyone.
Some can.

I enjoyed much of Hemingway's writing and anyone who has such a level of raw and developed talent deserves respect for that accomplishment alone.
However, talent is too often an enabler of bad actions.
Imso, of course.

Hemingway's short stories are swell.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kgb
PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:13 pm  Reply with quote
Member
Member


Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Posts: 861
Location: Nebraska

Seems to me the people who pride themselves particularly for "not suffering fools", gladly or not, eventually come to the conclusion they themselves are the only non-fools in their world.

Two old friends reminisce and one says to the other "You know I swear everyone in the world is a jack-*** except you and me. And sometimes I wonder about you".

_________________
Bore, n. Shotgun enthusiast's synonym for "gauge" ; everybody else's synonym for "shotgun enthusiast." - Ed Zern
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Brewster11
PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:57 pm  Reply with quote



Joined: 08 Feb 2009
Posts: 432
Location: Western WA

Hemingway was an enormously complex and talented individual with more than his share of troubles and scars. But who among us here can't find some kinship with him from the words he wrote for a memorial for a late friend who died in a hunting accident in Idaho:

“He loved the warm sun of summer and the high mountain meadows, the trails through the timber and the sudden clear blue of the lakes. He loved the hills in the winter when the snow comes. Best of all he loved the fall … the fall with the tawny and grey, the leaves yellow on the cottonwoods, leaves floating on the trout streams and above the hills the high blue windless skies.”
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
tramroad28
PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:34 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 20 Jul 2011
Posts: 345

Yes
Hard to best a friend that understands who we are.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
tda003
PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:32 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 12 Apr 2017
Posts: 58
Location: St. Simons Island, GA

I'm not generally a fan of meeting my "heroes". For example, I admire Winston Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt, but the more I have read about them, more convinced I am that we wouldn't have hit it off.

I have read most, if not all, of Hemingway's work and, whereas he is the master of the simple sentence, his work, to me anyway, becomes monotonous. I think that he simply ran out of ideas and that greatly affected him. I expect that coupled with his cancer, left him empty. As to his suicide, that's a matter for God, not Tom.

_________________
Old and sneaky will beat young and eager every time.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pine Creek/Dave
PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:16 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 17 Mar 2017
Posts: 155
Location: Endless Mountains of Pa

tda003,

I believe every boy should be lucky enough to have his Father and Grandfather as his heroes and mentors. In this manner he knows his heroes very very well and passes their teaching and way of life, on to the next generation from them. I was luck to have this happen, today many young men are not so lucky.

My Boss had a prerequisite question he always asked of his inner circle men. If you answered this question incorrectly you could not work in his trusted inner circle.
His question was, excepting the Lord, who is your ultimate hero. To work for him in his trusteed inner circle, the answer had to be, your Father, unless your Grandfather raised you, then it was your Grandfather. No other answer to him would grant you inner circle entry.

I liked Hemingway's writing and Sport hunting, in no way did I consider him a hero.
Now other than my Father and Grandfather, Elliot Ness, and General Jimmy Stewart might fill that hero category pretty darn well.

Pine Creek/Dave

_________________
"L.C. Smith America's Best" - John Houchins
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
old colonel
PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:54 pm  Reply with quote
Member
Member


Joined: 01 Dec 2008
Posts: 406
Location: Topeka, Kansas

While interesting, sometimes the dissection and attempted explanation of someone's life and character rings like a handful of false coins. At this distance I can't know with the reliability posited.

What matters to me is the qualities I find in the actual works, not the commentaries of others about them. Rarely is a commentary on the same level of usefulness as a great work itself.

I have read all his novels and collected short stories and found much of it more work than pleasure to read. That said I am better for having battled through them in rder to know which ones matter to me.

My favorite is Across the River and into the Trees, since I was a cadet and thirty times since. The duck hunting scenes are amongst my favorites in Construction and Spirit. It remains one of several audiobooks on my Ipad that I listen to wherever I am, time and again.

I do not know if He and I would have got on, but it does not matter as it could never of happened anyhow.

What matters about him, is do his works sing for me? Is there something there that suits me? They do for me and for others here as I can see.

_________________
Michael
Topeka, KS
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Pine Creek/Dave
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:59 am  Reply with quote



Joined: 17 Mar 2017
Posts: 155
Location: Endless Mountains of Pa

old colonel,

I agree with you 100%, because Hemingway was mostly a pretty private individual that was very well off financially, I doubt many of us would have had the chance to become close to him personally.

His writing does speak to me however and he was a serious shooting sportsman. He was ruthless with the ladies. Not all together a bad thing after being jilted by the lady he most admired. He did make sure no lady would ever get the better of him again.

You Duck hunters and Across the River and into the Trees, lots of you guys love that story. In it you can tell that Hemingway was a serious Duck hunter.

Hemingway finally learned that Socialist Communism was a very dangerous form of government. Having payed the price of loosing his incredible home and wonderful way of life in Cuba, he denounced all kinds of socialism in his later years. On this I totally agree with him.

However to my way of thinking it took him way to long to wake up to a very dangerous political reality. IMO Hemingway's riches blinded him to the reality of Communism, until Castro showed him what living under a Communist regime really meant. He was lucky to escape with his very life and probably learned the greatest lesson of his life all at the same time.

I do believe I would have gotten along with Hemingway quite well, especially as a Shooting Sportsman.

Pine Creek/Dave

_________________
"L.C. Smith America's Best" - John Houchins
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
All times are GMT - 7 Hours

View next topic
View previous topic
Page 3 of 3
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3
16ga.com Forum Index  ~  16ga. General Discussion

Post new topic   Reply to topic


 
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum




Powered by phpBB and NoseBleed v1.09