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T-Bone
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:35 am  Reply with quote



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Has anyone ever used the 28 gauge ones for anything?[/quote]

Yes; the 7/8 oz. #6 load on a short hunt resulted in a one shot/one dead rooster for me. I only wish Kent would offer this load in #5 shot.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:29 am  Reply with quote
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pbr streetgang wrote:
Whatís an ounce of 5 of bismuth running these days? Pellet count?


According to Rotometals an ounce of their Bismuth #5 has 206 pellets.

That is slightly more than 1 1/8 ounce of lead #5.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:22 pm  Reply with quote



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Back to Kent Bismuth. My wife and I have shot probably a dozen ducks with the Bismuth 5's over the past two years. Most were wood ducks at relatively close range. But I did drop a mallard stone dead at about 45 yards with the full choke barrel of a Model 90. I have noticed no problems with it. I have also killed about 5 roosters with it.

My wife is a strong advocate for non-toxic ammo for hunting. We bought a good supply of Kent Bismuth, so this year she shot the 16 ga Kent Bismuth 6's at all upland birds: woodcock grouse pheasant quail. She likes the concept of one shell for all bird hunting. "Green for birds, purple for targets". I still have plenty of lead but am shooting more Bismuth. I hope Kent can continue to offer these shells at this price.

As for the 28 ga Bismuth 6's, I just tried them last week on some Kansas quail. They worked great with a SK2 choke. I had brought them along in case we hunted some areas where no tox was required. But I ended up using them primarily. The other loads I had, mostly 3/4 oz AA's, wouldn't regularly cycle the Franchi AL-48. The 7/8 oz bismuth cycled it about 90%, the AA's about 20%. I need to give it a good cleaning and some testing before I take it on another out of state hunt.

Its gonna be a cold weekend, maybe I can figure out how to post some pics.
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FN,
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brent
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:17 pm  Reply with quote



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Fourtown, did you shoot those ducks on Fourtown Lake? Nice place.

FWIW, I was pulling #5 Kent BI shot out of pheasants that I shot this season and the shot is much smaller than the #5 shot that we use here. I have not been super happy with it myself, though a few birds have been taken with it, a few have been lost also.

It may be my imagination but I wonder if it patterns super tight and that could be part of my problem - hitting birds with just the fringe of the pattern. One bird I shot had only the primary tips of the feathers shot off, but a good dog caught him anyway. The pattern in the feathers was super tight for the range of the shot.

Just an thought anyway.
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Ohio Wirehair
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:56 pm  Reply with quote



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I have been using 15/16 oz,1oz and 1 1/16 oz oz #4 (Rotometal's)with very good results out of the 16 gauges this year. Ducks and a couple of geese. I just treat it like lead using full,imp/mod,and modified. I do use my 12 gauge Ithaca with a 1 3/16 oz of 1's (buffered) when hunting geese. A low recoil killer to 50 plus yards.
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5ís or 6ís for early season blue wings over blocks?

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That is slightly more than 1 1/8 ounce of lead #5.

Square load,
Are you implying that bismuth shot size is smaller than lead?
Thanks. Ted

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:48 am  Reply with quote



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pbr streetgang wrote:
That is slightly more than 1 1/8 ounce of lead #5.

Square load,
Are you implying that bismuth shot size is smaller than lead?
Thanks. Ted


I think he is implying it is less dense, which it is. So you get more pellets per ounce.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:49 am  Reply with quote
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The Kent Bismuth pellets are sized by british or european sizes. So a 5 is smaller than a US 5. From what I have read. So when I want a 5, I'll use Kent #4s.
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rdja wrote:
The Kent Bismuth pellets are sized by british or european sizes. So a 5 is smaller than a US 5. From what I have read. So when I want a 5, I'll use Kent #4s.


I've been measuring them directly and you are right, you want a least a size larger, if not more.
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brent wrote:
pbr streetgang wrote:
That is slightly more than 1 1/8 ounce of lead #5.

Square load,
Are you implying that bismuth shot size is smaller than lead?
Thanks. Ted


I think he is implying it is less dense, which it is. So you get more pellets per ounce.


This is correct. Pellets are the same size but weigh less so more pellets per ounce.

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This fall I bought a case of Kent bismuth #5 loads. Combined with my Simson
16 bore model 70, 32 in barrels, F/IM, I harvested 7 Canada geese, 4 mallards, 1 Black, 4 Bluebills and 6 woodies on Georgian Bay. Shots from my blind were 10-42 meters. I fired 28 shots. I am converted to Kent Bismuth as my only non tox ammo now.

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It's good to hear these positive reviews. I bought up a decent supply, but I just haven't had to use any (yet) for my upland hunting. I did use it one day duck hunting last fall and cleanly folded a woodie with the only shot I had in range that morning. Sounds like they're not at tungsten/matrix level, but really decent for normal shooting ranges. I submitted the pictures of the patterns on the Cabela's reviews a couple years ago because they did pattern really well and I wanted to support the cause. Thanks for sharing your observations.
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I used the Kent 6's on quail this year to great effect. I even opened them up and put a polywad spreader disc on top and re-crimped. Worked great. My only complaint is that they are pretty hot loads to be using in vintage guns, leading to wood cracking. I have a small crack starting in my Husky that I attribute to this.

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