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16gunner
PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:49 pm  Reply with quote



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I have sold guns of my own and for friends many times. I have found the following way to ship to buyers in other states. The safest is the USPS. UPS is not the best way. I had a friend employed by them, state, that many drivers know by the shape of the box, its weight and where it is to be delivered - it is a gun. They steal it. They are fired. Most times the gun is not recovered. Postal inspectors are not part of the USPS and therefor they have no power over them. The truth then prevails. Buyers of guns online may not know they must send a copy of a firearms license from a gun shop to the seller. The seller takes the packaged gun and FFL to the post office. They will retain the FFL for further verification if the gun is not delivered or the package is damaged. If so, the sender will be contacted by a inspector. All this is done to complete their legal obligation.

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16'er
PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:31 pm  Reply with quote
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Always insure for the full value of the gun. Calculate the insurance into the shipping price.

I guess the guy who steals a gun from UPS and gets a purdey comes out ahead, but the filch who ends up with a beat up mossy 500 gets what he deserves...
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Veryoldman
PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:09 pm  Reply with quote



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I take the gun to my regular gun dealer, with whom I have established a relationship. He packages the gun and sends it with a copy of his FFL to the desired location where it it received by another FFL holder. He calls the person who is interested in the gun and he/she comes out to take a look at it. If they want it they buy it from him. If not, it goes back in a similar manner>
I gladly pay the $35 to $50 that it costs me to ship it this way
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16gunner
PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:19 pm  Reply with quote



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Veryoldman wrote:
I take the gun to my regular gun dealer, with whom I have established a relationship. He packages the gun and sends it with a copy of his FFL to the desired location where it it received by another FFL holder. He calls the person who is interested in the gun and he/she comes out to take a look at it. If they want it they buy it from him. If not, it goes back in a similar manner>
I gladly pay the $35 to $50 that it costs me to ship it this way


Very old man, yes, that is another way to do it. I had so many boxes and cheap friends I did it their way.
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cowdoc87
PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:38 pm  Reply with quote
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USPS has a list from AA to ZZ on why they donít have to honor an insurance claim. Having been burned by the USPS, Iíll never ship USPS again. Iíve never had a problem with UPS, and Iíve had a bunch of chances

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16gunner
PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:27 pm  Reply with quote



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cowdoc87 wrote:
USPS has a list from AA to ZZ on why they donít have to honor an insurance claim. Having been burned by the USPS, Iíll never ship USPS again. Iíve never had a problem with UPS, and Iíve had a bunch of chances


Cowdoc87, I guess I have been lucky and you haven't. I know that UPS has the same stance with insurance claims.
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Gil S
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The most protection regarding assured delivery is USPS Registered, Insured. Everyone who handles the package or receives it must sign for it. It is also the most expensive. FedEx, UPS, USPS, etc. all have their horror stories. USPS is the only shipper that doesn't require disclosure of contents. Don't even think about misrepresenting contents to FedEx or UPS--absolute defense to insurance claim.
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fn16ga
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You are suppose to disclose to USPS if you are shipping a firearm . I have only shipped long arms and just tell the clerk what it is and they say ok . Registered mail is by far the best way to ship a gun , it just takes alot longer .
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Dave Erickson
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I've been shipping mine with the USPS for years and have never had a problem.
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I have used them all and if used correctly and insured correctly, they all seem to work fine. I do agree though it is worth the cost or special handling. I always get HIGH value additional insurance on items that I check with the airlines even when I am flying in what I hope to be the same plane with them. Again, like the one poster pointed out, they get hand carried and signed for on every step of the way. Forget just losing them and getting them paid for, but you don't want to end up at a match (or as a scuba diver too) on a live aboard dive boat about to leave for 12 days, with you equipment on the wrong plane to the wrong airport even if you get it back. I have Air Shipped expensive guns directly via the airlines also as long as the FFL Holder could pick up directly.

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3crosses
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:27 am  Reply with quote
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I had a gun shipped to an FFL here. I happened to be in the shop when it came in. It was shipped Fed Ex. The box was in shreds, the barrel bent and the stock broke. My FFL did not accept shipment. I will not ship Fed Ex again.
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16gunner
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:08 pm  Reply with quote



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3crosses wrote:
I had a gun shipped to an FFL here. I happened to be in the shop when it came in. It was shipped Fed Ex. The box was in shreds, the barrel bent and the stock broke. My FFL did not accept shipment. I will not ship Fed Ex
again.


I sent a rare handgun to a man in California. I got a call from him stating the gun had not arrived when expected. I called the post office and was told the barrel was sticking out of the box. Inspectors seized it. That happened because sometime ago the P O started using mechanical sorting machines, which damages items that humans sorting did not. Done to save money. I expect all such businesses use mechanical sorting now. The buyer received the gun and it was not damaged.
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rkittine
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A friend of mine recently received a very expensive shotgun, where rough handlng caused the barrel to break away from the wrapping and chipped the wood on the stock. The bottom line is that when you send expensive, heavy, odd shapes that can cause their own damage ( barrels ) you need to WAY OVER package.

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16 Gauge O/U Browning 525 Sporting
16 Gauge SxS Dickinson Estate (Soon I Hope)
16 Gauge Pump Browning BPS Upland
16 Gauge Semi-AutoRemington 1100 Sporting
Bolt ???
Single Shot ???
Lever ???
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MaximumSmoke
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Barrel Shipping -- Put barrels in a PVC tube, pack them solidly with bubble-wrap and crushed paper (newspaper) -- no end-to-end slide, please. Cap the tube both ends, fasten one end with PVC cement, and on the other end, either put on a screw-in cap or slip on a regular cap and in either case, seal it in place securely with packaging tape. Address the package the way the recipient advises -- sometimes so it does not look like a gun business to the average shipping gorilla -- and ship away. No need to tell anyone it is other than a metal tube inside. Make sure, if the barrels are to be returned, they get packaged the same way in the same container, which can be re-used multiple times -- except if you use Briley -- those folks can screw up anything. They threw my tube away and send my barrels back in some flimsy, easily-bent long cardboard box filled with foam, marked with all their commercial advertisement, which was set right on my doorstep. Ain't that cute -- and it was Briley, in that particular case who had given me the PVC tube shipping instructions as above to keep my barrels secure and un-bent! Wow. Mad I've had no such problems with Mike Orlen, et al.

I called Briley about my shipping tube, and the guy there said they had thrown mine away -- a nice 3" tube just right. My guess is they use it for somebody else's shipment. So they next-day-aired me some other guy's tube -- had his name on it, scribbled out. It'll be "just like yours", they said. Yah shure, you betcha -- it is about 6" in diameter, and would hold a whole gun (repeater length), minus buttstock. Must have cost them a lot. And I can't imagine what I'll use that tube for. Eeejits!
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Gil S
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It is illegal to mail a handgun. Here's the skinny:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-through-us-postal-service

Under no circumstances (unless it can't be broken down) ship a long gun assembled. The barrel can act as a lever and break the stock at the wrist. Never underestimate the creativity and ingenuity of any shipper's ability break your gun. It's happened to me on a gun I bought. My lgs / ffl took photos and sent the gun back for a full refund to me. I ship barrels as advised above in a length of pvc with caps on both ends. One end glued, the other, taped closed. The rigidity of the package is increased by the pvc. The stock/action or receiver is bubble wrapped. Gunsmiths hate receiving guns packed in peanuts. I know I do and I'm no gunsmith. Gil
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