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SW39Tom
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:10 am  Reply with quote



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Good morning Everyone, been trying to find proofmarks and data on serial numbers for my sxs JP Sauer & Sohn Suhl and I have been hitting dead ends everywhere.

Here are some photo's I am hoping someone can direct me to links where I can find the information.

Also note in front of trigger "DRGM 321876"

SN# 21****

Thanks in advance for your help. - Regards Tom











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16crazy
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:03 am  Reply with quote



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I found this:


D.R.G.M. stands for "Deutsches Reiches Gebrauchs Musterschutz" - meaning protected patented design under the Reich Government.
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skeettx
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:26 pm  Reply with quote
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Hello Tom,

Made around 1915
Nitro proof
Ejectors
D.R.G.M 321876" is the "standard protection (similar to our patent protection) of ejector mechanisms with coils springs, 1907-1913."

Remember, barrels and actions may have been around for a while before mating, final proofing and serializing.

Fun gun Smile

Has preliminary proof, final proof, and choked proof Smile

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=515347&page=2

Made before 1922 so no date in proofmarks

2 1/2 inch chambers

http://www.shotguns.se/html/germany_1890-1945.html

Mike

extra reading
http://sauerfineguns.blogg.se/english/category/articles.html


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SW39Tom
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:29 am  Reply with quote



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Thanks Mike,

Based on the SN and the proofs it looks like its a 1914.

Its the Black Powder Proofs that caught my attention and when I purchased the gun years back, I just really liked the look and feel. (Have never fired it)

I am looking to use this to start shooting Skeet and are trying to figure out a proper load. (Never shot Skeet before & have no O/U)

I only load 16 ga 2-1/2, and except for (1) 12 ga M37, (1) Stoger 12 ga M3K and (1) 20 ga Ithaca Level break open I only own 16 ga. shotguns mainly M37's, Single Break opens and Drillings.

This SxS is my only double barrel and my concern was the Black Powder Proofs with a load for Skeet.

Anyone have a suggestion, I was thinking of calling RST, but I enjoy loading and developing loads. So Thanks Mike for confirming the information, I was not sure I was reading it all correctly and any help in steering me in a direction for the load.

Thanks again - Regards Tom
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skeettx
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:23 am  Reply with quote
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AND it is NITRO proofed
So, buy some RST and try the LITE loads
and then reload for it.
I really enjoy my light 2 1/2" reloads for skeet and doves
Mike

p.s. To put it in perspective, my Winchester Model 1912 (Model 12) is older than your gun and I shoot 2 1/2 smokeless loads in it all the time.

Mike

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byrdog
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:28 am  Reply with quote
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love to see a pic of the whole gun

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SW39Tom
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:00 am  Reply with quote



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byrdog,

Here are a few pics







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16'er
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:40 am  Reply with quote
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She’s a beauty ! Plenty of recipes for low pressure loads if you join the low pressure group....
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wow, ducks that look like ducks. Ah German steel . what a great shotgun.

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Dave in Maine
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:10 am  Reply with quote



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DRGM = "Deutsches Reichs Gebrauchsmuster", in short a registered trademark. I'll guess the trademark has to do with the engraving design, but I could be wrong.

Your gun has the "wild man" stamp - the guy standing with the staff, which indicates it's Prussian-made. I saw no date stamp on the barrel flats (it would be 3 or 4 numbers for the month and year it passed proof), which indicates it's pre-1913. IIRC it was in 1913 that the Germans started date-stamping guns.

The folks over at the Doublegun forum, particularly the German guns page there, will be able to give more precise info.

But - ding, ding, ding! - you have a winner. Congratulations. That's a beaut!

Assume 2 1/2 inch chambers, BTW. Until proven otherwise. Properly maintained, it will outlive everyone here.

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SW39Tom
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:09 am  Reply with quote



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Thanks Dave,

I always forget about the double gun forum since 90% of my firearms are single barrel break opens, this is my only sxs, no o/u the rest of my doubles are single 16 ga over rifle (2) barrel Drillings, not triples.

The SN# fits it in the middle of 1914 range, but it's the crown over the upper man with the staff on the barrel flat that has me stumped. Where you see the (2) men & Staff, the crown is large and above though it is faint, but there.

Your right though, love the gun and want to use it this fall.

Thanks again for the information..

Tom
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SW39Tom
PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:14 am  Reply with quote



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Yep, would have loved the ducks on the sides, but the underside is great, the simple sides work for me also. Its a field gun from that time,
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