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ole_270
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:41 pm  Reply with quote



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Some may remember a few threads from a year or two ago about the Cheddite 1632 wad sold by Grafs. I finally got around to sending off a couple loads to Precision Reloading that patterned real well for me and just got the data back. Both were put up in once fired Cheddite red cases with the high brass head. Powder and shot were weighed.

Load #1
23.3 gr Longshot, Federal 209A primer, 1632 wad, 1 1/8 oz nickel plated shot
1289fps, 10330psi
1287, 10390
1286, 10440
1285, 10030

1286 ave, 10297

Load #2
22.2 gr 800X, Cheddite 209 primer, 1632 wad, 1 1/8 oz nickel plated shot.
1300fps, 11830psi
1304, 11720
1287, 11380
1297, 11460
1301, 11970

1297 ave, 11672 Warning: Above the Saami 11500 psi limit

Load #2 was dissapointing in that it gave particularly even, tight patterns in my Dickinson SxS. I may drop the powder weight a grain and retest since I'm really looking for around 1240-1250 fps.

For those looking for a wad for heavy loads in straight walled hulls, this one does the job and solves the issure of powder migration with Longshot in those hulls. I get much better patterns with these than with the Z-16 or SG16 wads usually used in the straight wall tubes.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:21 pm  Reply with quote
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Load #2
22.2 gr 800X, Cheddite 209 primer, 1632 wad, 1 1/8 oz nickel plated shot.
1300fps, 11830psi
1304, 11720
1287, 11380
1297, 11460
1301, 11970

1297 ave, 11672 Warning: Above the Saami 11500 psi limit.



Good work , I wouldn't be disappointed , now you have a great base ( max ) to work from , I would drop the powder by 1 gr and shoot it .

Funny I was just getting ready to send a similar load to Tom A for testing . Except I was going to use a Fed hull and a CCI 209 primer and 22 grs 800x

Thanks for sharing .


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The #2 load is great. Knock off 0.5 - 1.0 grain and enjoy it.

I have been thinking about testing that load for awhile. As my first load tested with 24.0 grains of 800-X was over 12,000 PSI.

Thank you for having it tested.


Both those loads look like winners to me

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:39 pm  Reply with quote
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fn16ga,

My thoughts exactly in a Federal hull, with the components you mentioned.

Honestly, I wouldn’t even bother having it tested.

We have data with 22.2 and 24.0 of 800-X that fit together perfectly.

11,830 PSI, isn’t hardly worth a blink.


Thanks again ole_270, you have made me very happy and I would venture to say a bunch more folks too.

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ole_270
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Thanks guys. One thing I forgot to mention with the Longshot load is stack height. Both loads had a crimp depth of .055-.060, but as tested, the longshot load had a bit of dish to the crimp. One 28 ga 1/8" card wad makes it stack real well, only question will be whether to put it under the wad to save the shot cup depth or put it into the cup. At 10.3k psi I doubt it would cause problems under the wad.
I would be real interested to see if the shotguns you guys use pattern as well with these loads as they do with mine.
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I have an 1100 with Briley Thin Wall chokes and it patterned the 24.0 grain load very well. A 21.5 grain load should be just fine.

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With those pressure levels and charges, the wad must be making a nice tight seal. I may have to grab some up for use with Long Shot. Great work and thanks for posting!

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Dogchaser37 wrote:
fn16ga,

My thoughts exactly in a Federal hull, with the components you mentioned.

Honestly, I wouldn’t even bother having it tested.

We have data with 22.2 and 24.0 of 800-X that fit together perfectly.

11,830 PSI, isn’t hardly worth a blink.


Thanks again ole_270, you have made me very happy and I would venture to say a bunch more folks too.


Mark , I based that load off of the one you had tested earlier. With the new data I don't think I'll worry about any more testing , except over the chronograph . Thanks to both of you .
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Those loads look good. This Cheddite wad is one of very few i haven't tried.
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I just loaded but have not chronographed:

Federal 2 3/4" hull w/ paper bw
CCI209 primer
21.5 grains 800-X
Cheddite wad
1 1/8 oz. #6

They crimped perfectly and when I candled the loads there was no powder migration at all.

I will let you know what happens over the chronograph.

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Curious on the primer. Years ago I had an old manual, Reloading for Shotgunners or something like that. Author was Matunas? Anyway, one of his statements was that for cold weather use, do not use CCI primers. His claim was the Winchester 209 would give more consistent loads. I always wondered if he worked for Winchester. What has been your experience in the matter?
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ole_270 wrote:
Curious on the primer. Years ago I had an old manual, Reloading for Shotgunners or something like that. Author was Matunas? Anyway, one of his statements was that for cold weather use, do not use CCI primers. His claim was the Winchester 209 would give more consistent loads. I always wondered if he worked for Winchester. What has been your experience in the matter?


http://www.armbrust.acf2.org/primersubs.htm

^ this

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Thanks for the link. I've seen that article before, but my question was targeted more toward cold weather use that typical clay target weather.
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ole_270,

At the risk......800-X is a fairly easy powder to ignite. I KNOW there are exceptions to what I am about to post however....it is easier to get a nice consistent load with 800-X using a mild primer (CCI209, Remington 209P) than the more robust primers, (Win 209, Federal 209A, CCI209M).

The large flakes of 800-X TEND to fracture when used with the more potent primers, when that happens you are exposing the raw powder to the flame front instead of the chemical coating which controls the burn rate. The more you fracture the powder flakes the higher the pressure goes but, many times, not in a consistent manner.

In addition when you expose 800-X to cold temperatures the friability of the powder increases to the point where you can actually get higher pressures at cold temps than at 70 degrees F.

I probably have some of you laughing, some saying BS, some shaking their head and maybe a few agreeing.

I have used 800-X since the late 1980's in 12, 16 and 20 and I have never gone hotter than the Remington 209P or CCI209.

I did not dream this up, it was info passed to me by someone that tests a lot of loads for us.

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Mark.. Right on.

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