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woodcock1
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:43 pm  Reply with quote



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Location: Michigan

I have always be intrigued by the german side lock over and under shotguns. What can you tell me about them? Who makes a good entry level option? I know that Simson, Merkel, and possibly Sauer made them? Any other makers to consider?

Do they all have ejectors, extractors. What should I be aware of? Are they all good quality?

What price range would I be expecting to find a 16 gauge in nice condition selling for?
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Dave Erickson
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:29 am  Reply with quote
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Those are fairly rare around here. A few of us have had non-sidelock German OU's, I've had 5 myself, 4 Merkels and I guess one was a Belgian, but I can't speak to the sidelocks. In general I'd be confident in the quality of the makers you mentioned.
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woodcock1
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:43 am  Reply with quote



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Thanks for the information Dave. I am trying to get a look at one that may be for sale.
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Jta5er
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:08 pm  Reply with quote



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Location: Ky

Don’t forget greifelt made some of the best.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:55 pm  Reply with quote



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I have a pre war Sauer SxS sidelock. Not a 16 but very light 12. Love it and the locks are beautifully made.

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ohiochuck
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:30 am  Reply with quote



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I have two Merkels and a JP Suaer drilling. All are well made and fun to shoot
Jim
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ohiochuck
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:30 am  Reply with quote



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I have two Merkels and a JP Suaer drilling. All are well made and fun to shoot
Jim
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Brewster11
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:57 am  Reply with quote



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I wonder how many of the German O/U sidelocks are actually sideplate guns. Virtually all modern O/Us today are boxlocks. Sidelocks were originally made for SxS and make little sense for O/Us because the hammer layout is not symmetrical. Check them over closely if they claim to be sidelocks.

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Dave in Maine
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:07 pm  Reply with quote



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Merkel really made their name post-war with their O/U guns.

If O/Us are what float your boat, it's hard to go wrong with any of the German O/U guns.

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3drahthaars
PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:32 pm  Reply with quote



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I just recently picked up a Merkel 201E.

It's a box lock, mid-grade that has ejectors, cocking indicators, Kersten action, and Blitz locks.

It also has sling swivels and a Monte Carlo stock characteristic of German shotguns.

At 6.4lbs it is a sweet gun to carry.

I've been lurking at various websites hoping to get an O/U, and it took close to 15 years.

The manufacturers that you listed are pretty solid... other than engraving you'll find the Suhl guns to be virtually identical.

Good luck,
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